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With Nick & David

Episode 6 · 3 years ago

S1E6: Battle

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Nothing we've ever talked about on this show has ever been even remotely related, so why start now? Join us as we dive into the world of Fortnite, Facebook, Cristiano Ronaldo, and culture shock with this week's guest Kanishk Chaudhari!

Welcome to with Nick and David, we areon episode six David Sor with me. I don't know Whys, I'm her we're still on Social Vdiaon itunsGoogle play ISO Piam follow us on instagram. I told people, O n know that to follow Instaramwe Postfuctures for gas and Saxbook and twitter Yeahadicdav show Iktavid showdo think. We have like a better intre right now we're going to come with anIntran. We have any suggestoncs suggestions for Coolon, okay, cool, allright David, who is the biggest athlete in the entire world. Any Sport, I'mtalking brand talking brand value, face value, most recognizable, whoellat timeor currently currently Ron James Ind, the entire world. Okay. If Gen'slistening back me up on this, I knew David was going to say that you thinkRon G, you think Lebron James is the biggest athletes. Ci Worldwhat, likeKobe Brian usn't, play basketball anymore. I didn't WATC TME IIN on thesport you're talking. Okay, what's the biggest sport in the world, I don'tknow soccer. So Oh yeah socker! Oh, oh, are you going to talk about Rinaldo? IA'm going to talk Abouyes, I'm so good, okay, Al Right, hippy, Nal, Tho, howyou IGESS, I don't agree, have you heard what's going on with her on? Isaw some CNUP an I'll. Give you I'll give you a break down. So realto isyeah. I would say he's the biggest face in the world. He's got his own brandMajri to Euventis, whatever also EAS FORC just released fe for nineteen andRonaldo Wis, Bon Onli on the cover, but he's like involved in a lot of thegameplay like he was like doing a lot of advertising and marketing for thegame. So he's like relevant right now. I don't know if that's why all this ishappening, but it's there. So, basically, whenever I see anentertainer, an athlete's name in the paper and it's getting like blown up, Iimmediately assume that they've sexually harass someone, because that'sjust what's happening now and in this case they have so Christianaranaldo wisaccused of rate. Basically, the story is that in it happened in two thousandand nine they were in Las Vegas. I don't know what he was doing: Vegas and he's being accused by Catherine Miorga. She was an American.She was a model ot, the time now, she's a teacher, and so basically they met ata clow. They hang out t the club. He inviteden hearing some friends back totheir room, God in the Jacuzi, and she didn't havea change close, so he gave her closhe, you could borrow or whatever and shewent into the bathroom, a change and he came in after her and basically just proceeded toliterally just te rate like there's. No there's no like teeasy detail like hejust rea great car, while she screamed Ouh and then according to her accountright after he apologized and was like I'm sorry, I'm usually a gentleman andthen left. So so that's that's the like the story of like what actuallyhappened, Athe's like verifyed, so so here's the thing these rumors have beenlike going circulating since twoent, two thousand and seventeen okay,because the German pulication Dur Speegel caught wind of what washappening and published, fragments of like conversation and mediation betweenher and we're all those team. Ith Publicist okay, so they published allof this stuff and was like hey we'ren, all those like being accused of Verhedid this and rnallothos Tuma publicist was like your and severe breach of likeprivacy, like agreements or whatever and ywe're going to just fuck you, sothey basically just try to screw the paper over and so now, Cath in Mayorgan.This woman is coming out and she's filed a lawsuit to revoke or repeal orwhatever that non iclosure agreement that she signed because she did fignone. She was paid three hundred seventy fivethousand dollars for her silence to sign this non supposure agreement, and so her her argument is that at thetime she was corce, she was in like an emotional and physical, like she wasvulnerable and fragile and Ronaldo has, as I'm sure, a lot of major athleteshave a team of unidentified fixers that are lawyers and like publicist thatjust come in no one knows her name and so she's saying that they came in andthey were like because, right after it happened, she went and got like asexual assault test on like on her and the Tuman fixters. According to her,came in and said, Hey, if you go public with this, we're going to humilit we'rebasically just going to humiliate you we're going to make it look like you,took these actions just to get money and make attenton like getattention off of Rodaldo and like basically just just like abused her.And finally, she was like so tired of reliving the trauma that she was likeall right. Fine and she signed it and now she's saying wait like I didn't. Ididn't like I was pressured Itto that yeah, so this is huge. STHIS is reallybig: okay, Somtin Riman, somethings, somethingsdefinitly. You don't pay someone three hundred Sivety five ousand dollars thatabsolutely nothing happened. Okay, so Oky like when we talk about sexualassault and rape like everyone across the board, immediately like in theirback of their mind as like that she could be lying Ebi, statistically, there's no reason.You should think that, like if someone...

...came up to hem, I was like my walletwas stolen. You would be like oh w took it like. You wouldn't be like they'relying in right, and so it's just the way we treat that issue anyway. Kind ofI think yeah y we treated because everyone's like I mean Erall, Tho, idoatons of people and so for them to hear about the right thing: Lin Thi, that'salso about the status of the Veadal yeah. So the othest thing that'sinteresting is when you talk about these these fixers, I want to say, ifYare, but I'm not really, I don't know like it is, but it's also like LE, likeit's dirty AF. Pr, I don't know the legal nature of nondisclosure agreements, but I almostwonder why. Why is that leval? is she going to faceLe Move Percussions? Because of that I don't know so she has not like to my no she so she followed alawsuit to get that nonclosure agreement like off the board so thatshe can talk about it right, but all these details are still coming out. Soclearly someone has already talked about it and which case I'm guessing that we'reall those lawyers or whatever will come down hard on, whoever it was. But whathappens if you speak about something that you sign nat tos, like you like,if you sayd, I won't talk about this and then you talk about it and you getpaid and you sign a legal document. What probably it's a massive fine, Idon't think you can go to like jail Ei. Is it a lat or is it just like a policylike that's like a contract like you'resetding, a house or yeaver like Oure, buying a house or whatever you likeyou're, putting your name on? Okay, I'm assuming I don't know, I'm not believalsee that's what I mean like. I feel like there's. Also this hypearound likeOh, like they sign along on disclosure like don't break it or your life isgoing to get really the right end of I legal trouble, but that's maybe nottrue yeah. No, I mean there is a lot of pressure. I mean your reputation. Yourwhole life for better for worse is now being focused on this story in this bok and she's alsoshe's also saiden interviews that, at that instance, like basically screwedup her entire life, she hasn't Bnab Ha whold. He job she hasn't been able topmaintain a relationship which is basically said that that experiencetrongatized her and cousture severely emotional and probably financial ef.It's about jobs like deress yeah wow. Well I mean that's it I'm. I will be following that story yeah anwe should definitely talk about like updates right, and I think the I thinkthe big take away here is that Leonon Messe is officially the greatestsoccer player in the world, regardless of whether you're better on and off thepitch. I feel like if you have two people: one of thems are rapist and theothers not the non rapis is probably the better person. It's just sad that,like the other thing too, is that people say like why do we live in atime where you know sexual assault, tha happens and all this stuff or racism,and this kind of stuff and sexism, like it, always happens. You know yeah, likenow that we have all these platforms. People are getting their voices. Hertand change were a discussion at least right now. Its happened and it's kindof the same thing with like identifying as queerer and on binary, because, likeeveryone was like Wy Wow, now that you're normalizing it there ase so manymore like gay and questioning individuals than ther were before, andit's like no, they were they were there before, but they were like pressured inthe marrying women or man er, like whatever mean you get, aront tingfineCona Rit dive like it's. Always it's always been a problem, but we haven'tbeen able to talk about it until that. Okay, the the police have announcedthat they're reopening the case ohgot it we'll see what happens. I have noidea, I'm not super hopeful, but all right, so my second one is totallydifferent. Alright, I want to talk about facebook face book. How do youfeel about facepook? I think anthirs are a little sketchy, especially inlight of the data breeches and everything they just have at data reach,yeah ist kind of Wi, I'm talking about Rih, I as like fifty million, and they don't really know how it'sconnected to tinder and some yeah. It's a whole thing. I don't really know thetechnical peticales. That's not really what I wante to talk Brigh, but mypoint is that there's, like a general discontent around facebook right now,yeah and people like see them as growthobsessed and greedy, and also just loose with use or data, like you justsaid, because there have been all these bridges and like socker Berg istestifying, I fort of the Senate, and then that's ha whole other thing isthat so that discontent for facebook is kind of Beng transferred on toSarkerberg, regardless of whether you like it or not like a CEO of a company?Is the company in this case like Basos, is a Amazon hates is Microsoft? I feellike a lot of the discontent with facebook. Right now is getting placed on to mark Suckerberg,and I think that it's even worse for Sockerberg than a Hasbend for people inthe past, because of how on emotional n robotic, he comes off like there areall these jokes and memes about how he's not human, like he lizard or likewhatever yeah that movie the Social Network, Thet came out, didn't exactlylike portray him in the best light, like no one really like likes him, Iget the. I guess, that's the sense I get anyway, okay, so with all o this, like discontent anddissatisfaction. My theory that I wanted to talk aboutnow is that give it ten years. Everyone will absolutely love Mark Sockerbertand Facebook, and so I have. I have a parallel to back this sup and theparallel is Microsoft, because when...

Microsoft was building its power inkind of empire, everyone was like. This is an Evil Corporation. They hated it,they hated dilkae, it's like they hated the entire thing when he was aroundforty five billgates stepped down, but he kept control of the company throughlike controlling shares. An his buddy was chairman and, like all that, and sohe basically just stayed out of the spotlight and just threw money plakfrom his charity at problems until eighteen years later, everyone loveshim he's one of the most admired men in the country. Right now, everyone hateszoccer bird. They see facebook as as Greedya selfish, whatever but ZuckerBerg's about to hit the same ate like he could totally parallelgates hiskateis track. He stepped down he control. The company he's got the Chan,sucker Berg in thistiative, that's already starting to make waves becausethey're donating hell, O money to places, and so my theory is that giveit like a decade, and everyone will be absolutely in love with Mark Acerber,despite all of his maybe personality, falaws or whatever right. Well, I thinkthat that's a that's an interesting. That's a good point. I think there is adefinite like when you look at facebook right now in Zuckeverg. You think ofdata, be breaches and problems, but really what people I think for oftenforget is that you know my space came first, but facebook is really one ofthe first. Like huge social media networks that has been successful inthis widely used as it is, and so they have to learn, we have to learn as asociety now wat of how to deal with Social Media and privacy, and all ofthat so I mean like it or not. You know he isthe pioneer of social networks. You know Yeah E, all father yeah. Do you think there's a difference,though, like Bill Gates will be more valued because it was like the computerversus or like the nes like a windows machine because of the Sisprenceo Ithat were in the corporation he might be. I feel, like Microsoft, does a lotmore and has its hands in a lot more things in facebook oes, but facebook isalso been acquiring like. What's that, Scipe, like they've, been acquiringthings for ever right, like they're kind of on that track, but I guess more broadly. The questionlike I like: Do you think? How do you think we should be judging companiesand corporations off of their cos because I feel like a lot of theculture is set by the CEO and they definitely the face of the company forbetter for worse, but does that mean that we should automatically likeassociate that personality with the business? I mean he's ultimately theone calling the shots right and I think that's part of what the title is- IsCEO, whether it was mostly you're doing or not like when Shild it's the fan,it's on you yeah, and so I think, that's part of that's fair enough. Youget paid millions of dollars, for you know yeah as I yeah, because I'mstruggling to think of any co that you can't immediately associate with thecompany. Like I mean the obvious ones like you've got papa John Aro bons. Imean I'm also thinking of stuff like Aldi like ritmer. You know I mean youdon't I think also depends on the market. Place well- and I think dependson the company because those things are not like, like those seos rotate likeyou cancycle through those exactly but like when steve jobs builds apple orZockerbert, builds facebook or dates, bills, Microsoft or pufatons bills.POPP Johns, like that's the name, is so like.That's the heart of the company, so mad Yo, ECAR, yeah, yeah, Maye e owe're,saying is that there may be the difference between there's kind of two enses with CEOS.There's the build your own like Castle Fortik, thefounder like the yeah, when the founder is the CEO. You got have to judge thecompany but versus somebody who just walks in with all the degrees right,cashes hin for four years and then leaves- and you know Treno- is her name.I think there is a differen yeah. I like that, that's good! I you know. Ireally like that. Half the time on this show we just like we just work throughsomething on air, and then we end up with, like a theory yeah, that's now,I'm hoping I haven't gotten him like a real argue of it h with you. Yet oitall hoping this topic, I'm going to bring in mobing the stopic an bringsinter argin, but well T at was the one that you're just about to talking Aboubring about yeah O Na. Should we take a bree wi'll, take a break in im, go toDavid to Rollin topic best thing, but at like me, es Dae Otst Ptwe are back with it and DavidYoure here to talk about the it's two Toms Tha, Thare kind of related that hethinks might start a fight yeah. Let's do it so, as you know, Nick I have beenin the last forty. Oh my God, I got Damon Fortnight Hoy Shit, I'm late tothe party for the record I was J. st going to say is October were recording.It is October of two thousand and eighteen just so. You have a frame ofreference for how long it took David to get on this didit come out to jump onthis panwagon. I don't know it's been...

...at least a year n season, six, no woame,but anyway, so with that I've been looking at different I'vebeen, payingattention to it more. In the media, it's a very popular game and it's allover Wall Street Journal sor, that's! Actually what I want to talk about is.I saw an article in the Wall Street Journal talking about how there's this normalization of hiring a fortnightcoach, Free Chia, saw that article and that that Articl Wall Street Journal. Ithink it's a very viral article and eveveen advertising t on stapchat andstuff shurt. A lot of people actually seen it, but what they said in thearticle was for many children fortnight has become a social proving groundright and ORH. I understand that because when I first won I freaked out-and I fo yeah- I know I got- is naptaps about it: Snach at everybody andtweenit an like. Oh I'm, so good. Follow me at twitter at DAS, shiftingone word or, as you know, ad at with Nick David at Nick David Sho, God damnit. Why can yo no gat our social medy anyway yeah follow any of theseswitters. Well to me all my for every time, yeah, every time David Wins itforid at will post it on our social media. I have three wins right now, butanyway, so I was talking to some people about this, because originally mythought was wow. You got to hire a video game coach for your kid, likethat ight so stupid, like. Why not put that money in like other things, butwhat the article was talking about was how they were comparing it. A MOM wascomparing it to dads at, like the baseball field, hiring like tivatelessons for their son to learn how to bat better pitch better and at first Iwas like okay, it's not the same thing, but I'm going to play Devil's. Afvocate!Okay, and I see your face- I'm hoping I can start something here. I think thatthat's okay, as long as that's not the only thing that your kid does, becauseI think we're entering a society now were video games are being kind ofConstitut is more acceptable. I mean because this game is ars played bynerds like right, F, you're, not a nert. If you play fortnight because all thejocks play it. Okay, when you think of I mean you know what I mean, so I dohave some initial thoughts so hit me hit me, so my visiral gut reaction isthat that's fucking, ridiculous and I' hate it with every FIBR. By being fightme LE's go so so here's my first problem with that:Okay Hethe walls tee journal Article, atleast from what you just said, said that fornight has become like a provinground for social, social plac status right on parents in that yeah. Okay.But if you tell someone you're playing fortnight with that, you hired a coachthey're going to be like that's like that is not going to boost your socialstatus are going to be like you're, a fucking idiot like you're adork ut likeno one is going to like that. You know I mean, but okay. So what about? If youplay sports, you play tennis, I played tennis in high school. I tookprivate lessons on the coach every other Sunday right. Is that but like Oh,you try hard, no, because that's the that's the norm in sports. It's not theNorman Video Games, like the yest. Exactly that Hi's going to be exactlyyou're there, you go there, you go cokay, but so all right, but okay, buteven in sports, I would argue if you're, a fantastic athlete, tennis player andyou've never taken, like actual like institutionalized private lessons inyour life and you're playing Aait, someone who has taken pribate lessons.The person who was not taking lessons is still going to be. Seene is moreimpressive because they did it all in their own. But who do you see at Wimpledin who'slike? Oh, so ind, son right? I so, but my point is being that it's not like aguaranteed poost for social right status. Okay, my second thing would bethe skills that you're learning in sports are translating directly to real life and have potentialconsequences for your future. I know you can say the same thing aboutfornigt. You can say like Oh you're learning team worker like you'relearning like handey coordination or US dexcerety or whatever, but I don't likethat- doesn't translate into a real world setting as much as sports. Dothat makes sense I'm going to work through this on air, because this isthe first time I'm hearing about it, because Rightoto the show guys this isWa to well. Yes, I would argu that the biggest Wen a lot of people think ofwhat skills do you get from video games? What a lot of people don't talk about,though, is how patience Shart you do get patience, because if you want towork through something yeah, you have to start. This is actually going toversion to my second topic: Ul! Wait for that. You have to practice just like in sports. You haveto you know it. I think there are some you know similarities. However yeah I mean Iwould not if I had kids or whatever you know, even when that time comes andthey suck it some game,...

...and I hired like a tutor or somethingohyeah. I wouldn't do that because I would teach them because that's like myhang but like think about it right like right, my dad coached my soccer teamstarti elementary school because he played soccer and college, but myparents know nextis nothing shit about video games, so you think that there'sa whole new generation coming up, that's kind of like yeah, and you- andI don't know if I like as a personally. I would never wastemoney on that because, but because I'm familiar with the background rightright, but when you teach somebody how to play a game, you kind of are alreadycoaching them. So if the MOM or dad doesn't know how to play fet night, butthey want to be that supportive person for their child, they got to bring insomebody who does and not. Everyone has access to a friend or family member.That knows how to writas. So I would say so, like I said, even if you're,even if it becomes normalized in coming years, it's not idone, not necessarilya status boost right now, I'd say it's. I still think it'sdifferent from sports, like video ganes are differentthan sports, even in the most basic sense like. Even if you don't want toscientifically parectly quantify it, you can look back at your sports likehistory and be like like I like. I was talking O my dad the other day N I waslike yeah. I remember playing Charloot High School for Division Championshipsand my friend Migel whoe all cull the LAGATO for the final goal in like thegoalding bowl overtime were all started, calling an al Ti right after that likestorm in the field, and like I remember that moment, I I guarante you, you willnot remember three fornight wins that you just accoplished when you're likein my first day playing Mi fi. You forgot that part nick in DEA, okay, allright so you're, good, no, but but but okay, but you're not going to rememberthe details of those four night wins well, but I could tell you that I usedto be not like professional, because I was still in school, but in high schoolI played the living fuck. I have like fifty two days of Gametime on onecharacter only on the O of warcraft all right and I was the top fifty in theUnited States, fror my specific class, what a fucking nerd I know, but Ialways remember that. Yes, I'm like I was at the top of my fucking game, okay,but so I remember that, but top fifty, I n the US, which has a population ofwhat like busy right. So there's. My point is that whools fuck yeah, that'sreally cool, but only fifty people in the US are going to get that experience,whereas appare to compare to sports fifty and all of a sudd. You were topfit, oh yeahyh and the country, so only fifty people are going to have thatexperience. Whereas my experience I remember it, it was memorable. It was ateam thing, but also it's not just limited to like fifty people. It'slimited. Well, it's not either because I'm not top fifty anymore becausethere's a new there's new expansion, the games redone like right, but thepoint still stands that you can that athletics are much more rel likerelatable and applacable and generalizable. But yes, then video Imean yes and I played tennis and soccer and high school. I love. I have a verymove. Do I am soccer and very competitive and when I scored those two goals- and I amsoccer- I mean that was Kicas Yeos Club, but I salso have that feeling when Iplay some kindof some video games right, Ome, proestional level, because noteverybody can play sports. No, I guess some people have into not everyone canplay video exactly it's so shitdamn it. Okay, okay, my other another problem I havewith this, which is totally based on nothing. It's just that. I don't. Iguess it's based on something it's based on, like an intrinsic value set.Okay, we can yourokay. If I, by hiring a fortnightcoach, you ere creating an industry of people whose job it is jobs, it is toteach younger children or whoever how to play video games right yeah. What possible value doesthat provide? I have a problem with those people getting the same, pay thesame amount as people who are providedg actual goods and services that increasequality of life, or things like that, and I know that soncas video games,like I have that that's a you can apply that to anything like people who, like I don't know, I don't know now, but Ireally don't know what else like. I don't think you should be able tomaintain well o life, but if you were going tohire a fortnight coach, would you hire some? You would want to hire somebodywith credentials be like yeah. This is my tir that is amaz yeah. I thinkthat's ridiculous ut that's hard to get. Is it I yeah I mean. Could you imaginelike? I have five hundred wins all documented in like six months, so itwas it okay, I don't know like right, but still, but still what the valuethat they are giving the person that you're hiring them to tutor is notcomparable of the value that other people are putting out in the world andI don't think they should be contensated the same way. Yeah I mean okay, I like the Yesi Oa anetwork of fortnight tutors that are all getting paid. Alght is Redan, I'msoon assuming you're all getting paid a...

...good amount, because people middle Plat,lower, milth, US and ampoverise people are not paying it forthis yeah, it's t's. All upper class are like rich individuals, so they'reGoin to PA the decent nout to, and I think that is ridiculous in itself. I don't know man like I just I feellike. If I you know, if I didn't understandvideo games, I mean, do you know how like when I grew up, I mean I had likea playstation to and like I was literally I remember like I had Thospineer ry name. I was learning how to fucking read Yeah Wile. I was playingthat game and I swear to got her Youo. I was convinced no, that game didn'tteach me how to read. Yeah like I thought that the only mode in thegame was the training, because I didn't know how to fucking read new game untilone day I just clicked it, and there was this a story, and I was like dadwhat the fuck, like you didn't. Tell me then he's like. Oh you know, because hedidn' fucking Know Yeah. He doht the same thing. I spelt like two monthsplaying the same training mission over O Wereot, even dressed up just pimypoint. Is that like, if my kid says, I tgot, you thought you got a switer Bagame and it was just like a civilian Peter Parter, fowas Keiagame, and Ithought it was cool though yeah but like I was like damn like where's thespider suit, like Blah Blah Blah right. I could never. You know and like my point is though, as thatlike, if my kid wanted to do like Wohay, what about Chess Chess Club didyou ever do chess club or Nob Biyo, chest books? My I did chest. I fall onThi SOCTER CES. Oh that's, allgead! Yeah, like I suck acid chess. I knowhow o play but, like my parents paid money for me to do N, afterschool extracurricular program and that's not athletics, sure I didn'tget good at him. But do you agree with that? Like I'm fo Athletic Society Bay mesomething else? That's extracurricular ha kids ays. I want to do this likeellso. I think I think I think there's a so the dition the chest. Cootecomparison is that a lot of people join extra currculars ar their parents makethem because they need a place for them to be after school, like it's lessabout the actual experience and more about like the time. The time blocklike I was in band and like I I mean I play piano but I took did saxophoneadbandand. I cannot play a sax, but now it was really just so that, like te atthe time yeah, I don't know you want some fortnight. Iagree with T. I do agree with you that it's becoming more normalized and thatthere's going to be a huge shift, but I think right now, that's a stupid thingto do is higher to her yeah I mean I coun be wrong. A peol be embarrassed todo it, but like it's his big thing you want you want to hear to Shay. I havetwo things that you should try and next time you play fornight: okay, reay. Thefirst is that you can actually jump on top of the supply drops yeah. So if you get up high and thesopply drops coming and you joop on top of it, then you can just like slowlydescend and try to shoot people coming at it like from above. Oh Shit, reallycool right, yeah hard to do with cool. The other thing is that if people havelike built structures- and you want to see if they're in there, if you hitlike, if you go in Tho edit moon, like you're abousible, o something all thewalls that other people build have become transparent, so is there's like a big house thatsomeone build or something- and you want to see if tfeir inside you can goin th edibote and actually see through the wall if they're inside the bolllike well. I have thoughts about that to wa his video, like if you're, thatguy, if you're like in the top ten there's ten left, and you have fuckingguy, that builds like a fucking castle like Oh yeah, someoneas, gonna Belo,that shit up, because I wonder who's Ay in her like Fucktat, okay. So realquick. Let me put this into my second yeah. I that relates part of the reasonwhy I took so long to play, for it was because it's free- and I have a gamesystem so successible to me, but I was like what the Hell you're gonna hipeyou're GOINGTO, be on e island. No, like you're gonna, Hav e on an islandwith a hundred people and you have to kill or like survive like that's sostupid, like what are the chances that you can be a hundred people like I N'it didn't seem winnable to me right, yeah, seeme, just pointless and Ididn't want to try it and then, when I did try, I sucked at it Oh yeah andthen three months later, which was yesterday, I tried it again and Ireally put some time into it and I was like okay like this is fun because Iwon so like I'm wondering do people because I know this is not exclusive tovideo charts. But people tell me I hear so much peoplesay I don't understand Veo Games. What's the point of this, this is notfun. I don't like this, I'm not good at it. Do you think that you are born withsome kind of Gen or characteristics that make youattracted to video games where at least we're not attracted to? I don't want totalk about Righton but like that makes you good at them, or do you think thatit really just comes from like exposure or both, but like pick one don'tliklater versus Vurture, I don't know like. I grew up with video games and such athinjus shing, but Morgan is like...

...she. She plays dance, an tavolutionyeah, and then I tried she. I had her play overwatch and no, I forgot, like she told me David there's so much goingon. How do you talk to me on the phone and play this and I'm like? I don'tknow this. I I really sit down Ri, think about it and it's like fuck likeyeah. I think she beo hear me part of he wants to say that anyone can learn anything becausethat's that's like the like liberal, like that's how to co o any e. If youtry hard enough right and like I was also like Morgan like Ijust got an exbox this year or last year. I've never had like, I had a wee,but so not like a real, usually yeah yeah, which is interesting rightbecause you play games, I do play games and I'm not as good at them as I'm goodat FIFA. That's about it, but like first person, shooters like halo and Iplay Halo with Ian, he just tiks me over every single time, yeah and I'mgetting better. I am getting better right, but so I don't really have personalexperience like I can't really say like if I like I'm. This is so new that I haven'tlike had time. But when you started, I mean even like the first week. What wasthe first game you plan on your xbox one probably well so FEFA is flying thatbefore a fortnight, no super hot. So perhaps I don't even know what that is:Didlev ID yeah, the first Games. I guess my question is like the biggestthing that people have a hard time with is when you take t e, the controllerand the concept of one joy stick has to move your character and one of theother one as to actually look. That's not Justi, you did. That was that hardfor you, yes, and how long did it take you a while? Do you still struggle withit? So, honestly, the camera and movement thing is not a problem for meanymore. I say after the first like month. Maybe I was like second like Iwas just like. I got it. fornight there's a whole other Amigthing like in. I can still site me from wherever he is like on a matt. You knowwhat I mean like he can like. I have not masered that, like I have to, Iwill take it out in close combat, but I not like tefornights are like arcaneyeah, that's yeah, it's amazing hard to begin with, but you so no. I was justGonto say so that my my instinct is to say anyone can do anything as long asyou learn, but I don't necessarily- and I know my dad's always telling meanyone can saing if they like practice wine enough into it. I don'tnecessarily think that's true. I think that there's some things that peoplejust can't do look at American idol. But what about it like? How many peoplego on? Oh yeah, an actually sick, mthere's, a lot of trolls, but, likeeveryone, thinks they can sing, and I no yeah you sh, some people, just can'tn and some people cannot play sports like no matter how hard you train it,something you just can't Lok. So how long? What kept you so, you basicallysucked for a month at VI, I'm startin great, but yeah, but what keeps yougoing because that's the difference that I'm curious of looking at is like.Why do some people say like? Oh I'm total as with this game, but I'll stillplay it? Why do you want to do why? Because you bought the Xbox, you likewhy I may as well play it or is it because, like wit's still, I think it'sstill Funi mean it's frustrating, but it's still fun like you still it's it'sthe the small chance that you actually do pull something off right, yess thosemoment it's that yeah it's the little moment and also it's a social thinglike like it had it transate to sports, tolike I was talking to Marco Rocado and he was like yeah likeI'm, not good at soccer, but he plays it because he's Italian and it's like aa social thing right, and so I think it part of it's like other people areplaying it like. I want to be able to play it with other people and to dothat I have to get to a certain level, but then also yeah, like I played forthe first time I won fortnight. I posted it everywhere last year. Did youget that Agen? I did get that Trao Yeah Shitand, but it like that's. Why I keptplaying is because I knew that that was a like. I didn't know that would happen,but I think that was a possibility right. I don't know that's interesting.I just I'm curious to I'm almost like I tell Morgan mygirlfriend, I'm like I'm like there's got to be a video game out there. Besides IFILM Games like that, you canfind that you can practice in that you'll like animal crossing. Well thatyeah there's one coming out, there's rurs about next year on the switch, butI feel like there's something for everyore's got to be something it'sjust like being able to do it and you cound say the same thing withinstruments and sports, but there's Suchi could Tavo Ongam right. No, I gotthat. That's that's a good! 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S, Aillon Oo. That's MIT wats, Bildingotro welcome back to with Nick and David. We are here in the studio again I don'tknow why, so that we never love with cannish. Can this cton Hurry Coto eachotery yeahc? I know I knew I was going Na fuck that up Heis our guest thisweek, I'm all over the place right now, but we're here welcome. What's ThapGuys, I'm Cannisi, I'm from Tord word country, India. So what a? Why are you in Wilster, I'm M in theEARE at the college? Rea? What need you choose? whasters Gont, a srmy collegecounselor. He was like hey man. There's this I told him. I wanted a smallschool and he said you can't find that in California and I said Fuck and thenhe said, trust me visit this college in Ohio you'll. Like it. I said: okay,it's not bad, so I went Okayo. That was one of my deason. So what was yourreason? The money my Eson, like both of yourcan bine my college fanser t onme to come to this college because they havebeater cadomacs. Nothing else don't come here is that like is there like? Is there like onecollege counselor in India telling everyone to go to Wilester, because no okay did they advertise to? You didwelters damn because Therre feel like there area lot of international students from South East Dasia here yeah and it'slike like a tolling Garema and like yeah. They were saying that there'slike it was the same guy that told them to come or something yeah. Now, I'mhere on your show so yeah welcome. This is kind ofs. First podcast experiencelike listening Mor being on right, Yep, yeah yeah, so we're just going to kindof hang out so have you had like I'm aasking all the stupid questions, butwhat's like is fine from the Soutensatesactaly Borin Gerga, so thatthat does actually work. I went to school in Texas for fourteen months,THA still thatso. What's the biggest thing that you miss like honestly, careful, careful,dayment, I'm Git's food yeah and the life and of life so like lifestyle with foodlike living like it's a living in a door, whe you're living in your houseor whatever yeah right, I mean everybody. Does that right, that's n, but doesn't mean I live on thisveron whati'm TI ATI SA is that everybody'salway, like everyone's always like? Oh, like? Oh, my godyour international suit?What do you miss your home, but it's not just them like the fuck, I'm fromCalifornia, like Oh yeah, even if you live in Ohio, you still miss likesleeping in your own, Damn Room without your fucking roommate that comes inthree in the morning. You know, but so I don't know like. Is there adifference versus someone who misses Homin Calnser? What is it that Yoo doesverting Ike that he comes by a three morning? We, he doesn't do anythingTustan John Doa Hehe's, not gonna, listen to now, but he was on our firstepisode. So if you're curious, Bous hem his roommatebut, like you know what I mean Lik, do peoplealways think do people ever Cook Dod say: Oh, my God, like Whoa like howracist Aure College Willstert Students, I guess, is what I'm asking Yeu forpeople here like in America. I mean have you been here aside from collegeor no no O Firse, but you've been all over the place since you've been hereright. I know: You've been O Indiana New York, you're, going to Calli we'rethrowing question on Ha Yeah. Now, like I'm Goingo, I've been to ChicagoChiagoo, I wantto go to Pezidoo human trafting capital of the country.I know that yeah that all right, how racist are the people that youtalked to and I ainsayone on Dhiscot is now that's agood thing. I feel like we Livn the most Asi Personon, this campus dfei.Here's do you feel, like the international students are more racistthan the domestic students. I would abree onthat. You would yeah, but I an they. Do it kind of funny ay like they don'tmean it right, so I won't call it cracism. It's just making joke ihere'sa different like I feel like I, David O, like I feel like I, a white person fromlike Willester or from Ohio, whatever tried to make a joke like that,everyone would be like ey. I get there Yeah Luk Yeathe Case Huh. You must be getting a lot of thatin Caforia a lot of what like what are...

...you doing in Ohio kind of thing, yeahpeople ask me, like I remember when I applied and I got it and I went Icommitted to wocester. I told all my friends and teep teachers a I'm goingto the small college in Ohio. It wasn't, even I didn't even have to say woresterpeople are like Ohio yeah like hy what the fuck are you doing, Wowo like itsnows there, like? Oh, my God, there's a bunch of red necks there and, like Ivisited before so I knew that like state, okay, s theres, I mean there'snot that much around here, but the campus is like. I don't feel like I'm in Ohio when I'mon this Campu Oi do if that makes sense. ORDOYOUNR, like I'm in like a where what other sthing you feel like theyrein, I guess I was Goingto, say whether its sign and like everything else butsure hat. That's what makes he say in states never mind. I don't know I justwe're not experiencing. If I were to live, you know this Af. You were to live inWorcester and have a job, your experience of being Mi, Wai, O exactly F, you ork at the CEVELAND CNI down theroad and you live in like a house. Your life would be different than living onthis campus because then you're actually getting the wolesterexperience like the town and the Townis like we're in a little bubble here. Doyou know what I mean I feel like? There's a I feel like everyone atwister is okay with being a wister, because they know they're leaving afterfour years, but is that with every college he here's the other thingeveryone's always like shitting on Wocester. Do you have friends like doyou guys have friends and other colleges who should on their collegeyeah no oo, ith't dyou, so unlister yeah, all the Topso?I do, but that's university mar own this legitimately. A shit show rightnow, like there's a lot of stuff happening and going ow like footballplayer, died that kicked it all off now. There's other stuff, goon yeah. So that's actually like going on thetrain, but do many dits yeah, okay, Wai? What do we start? This, oh biggest,cultural difference, biggest cultural difference, all right. He just ID a oo up. Liooup l probablyis yeah really wthikthacome on Doit. I've never been into it Asia. What will he so? What why won Yo RazorRazor hand that Yeo pen, the Asit, not me, everyone eccept a thin. I justrealized T at soon, as I said that tha it's an audior thing but Y, so why? What is the difference like educating?Because I have? I have no idea like where you're coming from like what theculture is with like hookup culture, the OK, uplinter yeah, it's likeokaypeople don't cook up that much itsver. Is it like frowned upon? It just doesn't happen, okay. So whatID people is there like an alternative or did people like Yeah Ingsexoe, just like even making Imaking out so whats if your Pon maing out in the Burindo some stat thatpeople would come withsticks and have heard Ou that wow fuck? Okay? So,but if you lianize how you Gonto be careful, I got to be careful man, I'mfucking, you know but like if you went to Hackif, you went into in high schoolif you went into school on Monday- and you said- Oh, my God guys. I hooked upwith this girl. Would people be like wouth the samereaction be like here? Would people say what the fuck like no sae, Yortnase,actually er it just Wa exitwhy. Do you tinmor? Why do you think people datemore and not hook up as much in India or like where you are at least any thous? No, really? What about? Okay,what about Lake drakick drinking Chool, yeah, COO, this yer yeah yeah? Obviously soso you're drinking and smoking a more but not hooking up as much yeah! That's!That is weird. I mean I like. I wonder why all right so so hookup culture is different. I yeahthat's interesting. I fel like it's different inteher schools to like it was her. It's like like is sosmall that it's a wit fire you literally and you're, guaranteed to seethe person like the next day ar like in the week don't mean Lik. You dill passthem, but I mean you guys are here you guys, like the small class sizes orwhat like Wy, okay, money and Yeah College Counselor, okay or whet,were you guys, Ayig slike? I was ING that...

...for Yo. You just cannot do it. You can't do it.I wait iless! You want people, I feel like, because I'm employed by admissions. I feel like. I should saythat I didn't just come here for the money. There were a lot of otherreasons to yeah hit me up I'll fill you a e get firefrom Myo. Basically me there are a lot of things me. I,like my college, mean, do you guys? I mean jokes aside like if you could goback honestly Tan, give it thought for a second. If you coul go back knowingwhat this callige is like. What your experience here is, and you can changeyour college decision. WOULD YOU IWOULD? Where do you have like big? What areyour reasons, location, socits, likea, Omkthis, nothing to do itlike after I'mDon ing, I don't have anycn dont have an yeah for the twenty four sevenstarbucks at migt right Noso. Do you I mean when you back home, doyou travel a lot on the weekends and stuff or there's a lotof SESINOVILAE,but don't you get bored with your city on Seos like he lives at a house in hisCitye's that, like I'm, this cree Pol like New York, who ive there andthey're like yeah like ie fucking, done everything like I'm bored? Do you thinkthat mindset is not hi? That's like. Are you asking him ifhe's Bord both of you know that you're not bored of your city? No, so what do you do the same thing over and overagain orhs variations like Probablylooi just feel like I get bored if you'rehaving a good time man I mean yeah, that's what you know. Nick okay, youwere you like by DC yeah. Are there some things that you don't do becauseyou've done them so much thou yeah, I mean there they're, like ther things that people near DC or ANDCdon't do because they're touristy, like all all the monuments like right.Everything like that we don't go to the museums as muchanymore or the zoo. So all the museums and thezoo and DC are free because tare, all federal theres Mesonian Institution,which I didn't realize until I like, went to other places. It was like Ohshit, like that's, not normal, you have to pay to get in the places and I wentto a lot of them as a kid like a lot and that an's like like there's nothingnew but like outside of I don't know. Idon't know man, I feel, like I've, been doing a lot ofthe same things for a long time and I'm like in DC and I'm cool with that. Like DCMPROO tes United Games like it'sfun, okay, but there's stuff to do at wocester like yeah, that is Yof Likgo to on Cansas, O Casas, thereare events andstuff that are cool to go to eat. Yeah, Sometis, OK, difrent people comethrough at both of you on campus. There are events and stuff to do. Is it just because there's not enoughthat you guys give bored you think, probably like? If we were tohave like member and father came last year, yeah we were going to have one ofthose like ones a Monh. Would you be like? Oh okay, yeah I'd go. I would goto that yeah, I don't so I don't really get that Super Bort. On Cat, I mean Ido their moments where it's like, I don't know like everyone's busy. Idon't know what to do but like for the most part, I have filled my schedule,someluch that I have like no free time yeah. So it's. I relevant,but I actually think that if I reat like a bigger college or whatever Ilike university, I would not like I would be more bored because I would notbe as involved and as much stuf there's that stereotype like. If you want to beinvolved, you have to be in like a srorty or frent yeah to do you know,but it's like the whistery Fret S, yeah cotes yeah, I mean you can go to any party withoutbeing African yeah, which is what I learned quickly. So I'm like. Okay,there's! No really! I have rushed three years in a ROA and I've. Never I almostjoined one of them didn't happen, but like there's, no reason not to likethere's a, I guess be really like the guys m all right. So I'm going to talkabout kee keeping busy you ere saying SAR, keep yourself busy, so youconniction, you were at the seastore now I haveto see you so what how's that?What is that like? Do you like it? Is it busy how many hours do youdrive working?I meandepends on I'm doing I like Ding what I love or do you o ing drinks forpople. My roommate loves working in the SESTOR. Your rommate has his own apron,but yeah GD lhet's. Not Not. He doesn't...

...reall, I hard yeah. So what sowhat's itlike tell me y first befoedn', even okay wowoaand then you Y, we went tostarboks o eleven eerand instead of cofte. If you got eggwais, n't Knothi think I' Noe had cofee astarbucks Fuck Yep, I knowgoe hundred percent. Sowhen you have coffee, is it from like a nice? Is it NACE coffee, yeah? Okay, wait! We we coe back to Letsee,start thou. I mean the yeah okay. So what what's it like? SESTOR, yeah, thiss, just three hourswort I started to net five on from twt five Jus Tine. It's done it's getting closer dude. Iwas easies person. I don't like Wainthh yeah everyone, a physically wokeveryone has. Those jobs to thou like like anjership over the summer, wasfine admissions now like, but like working security. I workedsecurity for two years and every night it was like a struggleing cup. You can,I don't know Verek Walsers Ike is listeing, I calle UFF, so many shiftslike it was a struggle to go, and then it's just you're just there and it'smeaningless and like mindless and you're, just like yeah were pentsrorepetitive. Do you do you have a job? Will both of you? Okay, we'll starticonnetion right now? Is there a job in your headthat you assume you do degrees and everythingyou're like I want this. I would love to do this. Mea we're still sucks, butis there anything right now you think, like I'd love, to do this? Probably somewher inthe, Wesenventokay Yeah, something that Good Mon right. Ican work Anhnhas, good money, yeah. You know it's kind of what I I tellpeople that too and they're like well the fuck. Now you should do what youlike and I'm like Wel Yeah. I Wu I like buddy. Like I define material S, Idefine success, partly as am I GOIN NA get a cool car. Do What you love is thestupidest advice? It's themost INOIC, like not, everyone is going to be B ye.No, it's lag. You rubme you'R Egitimate, tell meg people to follow their dreamsore, creating a generation of entitled like people who are passionate aboutone thing that lose their shit when they find out that they can't do it orthings are't going their way like I want to be an astrenaut in likeelementar school they're, like what do you want to be when you like? You, drawa picture of the fucking space shot right and I feel like it also you're,like you telli little kids like do what you love and it's like yeah, but thenthey think like I want to do this and they never open themselves up to likeif you w. If you're like, I want to be an astronaut you find out, you can't bean astronaut fine, go work like for an Aslet O. do something like associatedwith it. You don't have to actually be that you can still be involved, but Idon't know it's just that's a whole other conversation, but take what about you? One thing: Do youwant to go to politics? I don't know I don't. I don't want tobe a politician. I don't think I could be like a public face. Yeah I've been working with a lot O lot ofdifferent non profes recently so stan gene I prevension and Marietoves international, which is women's per productive rights, and I it's likesaying the work that they do so I don't know something in the nonprofit fild.Some humanitary thing honestly, though, like when you ask ask me when you askedthat question the first thing that came to my head, an speech rihter yeah you're very year, Yoyoure goodwriter, you've, good language skill like Orcin foract, like the Atlantic,was used to be my train, job e Taing, a journals for the ADLANESIC and it'sstill high up there, but I think, being a speechwriter for there's a there's, areally good book, I'm Blake forgetting what it's called, but its. It waswritten by President Obambas, like chief speech writer, and it's reallyinteresting, because basically, your entire job is to like craft someone'sappearance and like Te side Yeah. I don't know interesting speaking of speech, RightnTe Wamer. What do you want to be speech? RITER, Doncom to Toal Trup? I love you. TomAei wait yeah good ae if you got pain, nake like what's your dream, salary.Two Point: five million a year fine- and I said you have to write speechesfor tronk president trump for anything he needs. If he needs you to write, I'msorry speaks if he needs to writ a speech saying that he fucking hatesextra wiand. You internally are like. I don't agree with this. Would you stilldo it now?...

WHAT IF HE WANTS TO LA o? You do whatif he want to to write a speech. wher he's Fuckingniwait Keech like whileHeis doing it like I read, I whiles doing it o wl he's Doigno GMIT guyse I have to no, I on' thinkdon't think I could, and I assuming that being offered this job by presenttrum means I'm qualified for other jobs. I don't think I could do it. No you'rehedidn't talent, and only he sees you because he' ecause, he rol Tal Teoshrumponly person in the world, wholl employme we're GOINGTO, get shit atThisot, Oh yeahs, connit think I don't want to speak foryou, but I think you and me both. I would write speeches for presidentwell, there's a line. I honestly, I don't think I could. Iwouldn't write had speech or I take the job in them right, like speeches that,like make him look like an idiot he's reading. It think which wouldn't behard. I doubt he would even reat speet half his rallies. He just throws his nocards away and he starts talking so like I don't know who the SPEEC traderis now but they're. They have the easiest job in the world because theycoald just rite fuck this job and then he just like yeah. I don't want thisany literally yeah he's Noo like he's following their speeches. Probably heis like they miai through the gardeway and a es poohman. Strangely, I think that that is all thetimes we have so we're going to wrap this up. Yeahyou can find us on Itunes, woogl play pod bean, also instagram flacebook and twitterAtnick David Show, and I see Kan avid show this is week six episode six. I se guysback for episode. Seven, I ti O your Ombininyocan Ntke.

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