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With Nick & David

Episode 8 · 3 years ago

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Join us this week as we—and this week's stellar guest, Wooster's own Nicky Benya—take on the correct pronunciation of "GIF," why advertising exists, David's NBA predictions, net neutrality, women in comedy, and poetry!

Welcome back to with I don't know, Isit back God, Eom, O Owee Goin Olan, welcome to withnic and David. This isepisode. Eight yeah episode, eight yess been two months. I God its cre up inthis fish you're on Instagram, facebook and twitter at NickDavid Show- and I see KZAVID show. Where can our listeners listen to us? Iguess if you're listening already know that I cos goog play and PODBE got itand no de Span House Pot of my future, maybe yeah all right, we're just goingto keep on going and Asgraten sowell switch it up. David and whan ti gofirst, oon, the first yea I is with your first topic all right. This weekwas the Premier Week of NBA. Okay, so you know I'm excitidg yeah, I'm reallyexcited, and I know you don't really watch that muchbasketball. So you might you to sit down here and take out your pens andpay as- and I fil like the big strokes like the big events, but I don't we'llsee, let's see where you're haing fame about to predict the future and all yousports gamblers out there, you better start placing bats on. Why I say becaus.This is absolutely trure, a I'm Bot to Sel you. Why? So I hate the warriors. I hate them, I'mfrom the bay area, but I hate them. I don't like they always win. I'm doneit's like an antiband wagon yeah, I'm an tip band Li for the warriors. Sothis season, I'm all about WHO's. The next super team that can beat thewarriors right so on your segment, you're thinking, pox fuck, the Hawks,no nno. So just her GE me out. Okay Lakers now have Lebron James, theyplayed in their opener Thursday night and they lost to Portland one twotousndy eight to nred and nineteen, and originally I was like you know: W reverLebron James Go that's a championship. Contender team right sure meantypically that's just how to haw its how his careerhas been going with thedifferent teams he's been on. Well, I am tell you right now: the Lakerswill go to the Western Conference finals with thewarriors and they will lose in seven games. They'll be any sevenIAN series, your predict, Akers your inti Ome Lakers war, your seven gameseries with the warriors winning yes, absolutely one hundred percent, becausethe Houston Rockets, which I don't know again but Sur Eric Washers Alan Fo.Listening like all my sports listeners out there, the Houston Rockets lastyear were ice wet. I leve Tiss were it's very early on this broadcast andwe've already named drop Eric Hi Erick every time. I just wanted to point outthat we ney dropd him again. Yeah he's gonna come he's, Mak, Om, Ntur Roo, solast season I pretty Git at the rockes would win game seven in the WesternConference finals and they did it and now they have Carbelo Anthony. You knowC yeah that a well he's past his prime washed up and for the first time in hiscareer, he came off the bench. Okay and he scored nine points in twenty sevenminutes. That's all he did nine points and Twenty Sa Gads and their macketsLostto the PELICANS. The PELIGAN I mean, doesn't that just sound Lik yeah butHadha, some good guys, but so here's what I'm going to say, take notes Kay. I penup the Lakers willnot have to worry about the rockets because the rockets are just not. Theygot a rid of a lot of key players and Lebron James will go and playoff modeand beat the rocket. So the lesser carvots finals will be the warriors andthe linkers, and I'm also calling it right now that in the eastern Comasgonna say you have it. On the other side, the Boston Celtics will play theGolden State Warriors and the NBA Finals. How do you feel about GoldenState? That's I know I got it wow. You canreally tell it. o Fal Basketball was not ther, tentionyah gos both ways, so the only other threat that they thatthe Celtics have really other Toronto Raptors, because now they have qhietLeonard, but here's the thing as the wizard fuck the was I'm waching S. Heriknow ONS o. So basically now the rafters have Kui Leonard, but now theCeltics have kairerving because he's not he's off his injury. So I'm tellingyou that the Celtics will play Thao happens, John Wal Yer man- It is, itcould be. You never know we're coming we're coming now. You guys are nowwe're not goinbouyeah this. Since we...

...weal the racers in the EasternConference fials the war, the warriors will play the laigers in the WesternConference finals and the Celtics O Il Warriors Sto Eosic in the NBA finals.In seven games, exact, you think, Sien, okay, it'll take seven games, but theCEL Tass. Will we have a you, have a score prodiction for the seven Os I nowI can't go the no Youe, not like one of those like magical octopus. We hearabout this predicting o Didn E. Do that with yeah they who did at the World Goiha soccer, does fucker Kads animals anyway did the Olympics. Do that Idon't know, probably probably like a draft somewhere, that's an Olympic nextyear or on twitter over the summer. I'mgoing to find this clip when the Celtics wint and I will play back thisclip until all you that I told you so okay, but only if I can play back theclip of you yelling Tom Brady is an idiot next time. The Patriots di ourviewers know about that. Tell tell him what happened. H, David David, justbandwagon hard last super bowl for the Patriots and then they lost and he gotvery upset. I have them on camera, showing Combrey at Tom Brady, I'mGointa at Tom Brady when I post that clip yeah all right. So if I'm wrongyou, you campose that field and I ion braiding. So all yous sports people- those are hispredictions right, aemd down some where night, prenictions, wrigt him down oryell at me, disagree with me. I just want to put my voice out there. I'mstarting my career in sports bedting and an analysis, so thay is a Gambler,yeah interesting all right. That's it yeah othe, layouall, right Oolso, I'm GONGTOlaunch into I'll start with this. How do you feelabout like commercials or advertising in general? I mean, I know you work.You work like pr over the summer like right, like you, didn't oc it, but likein general, I'm I don't have any problem with itreally. I so. I feel like we're coming from a unique perspective because we'reboth interested in communications, okay, my roommate, absolutely hatecommercials. He by he's got youtube red with Google play music or whatever itis, so he doesn't have to watch commercials on Youtube. He doesn'twatch TV, so all of his packages, like he just doesn't, have to deal withcommercials, and so lately, when I stram sports games on services that Ihave or like when I watch Hulu and he walks then he'll just launch into likeTi rase about them about how he hates them, and so I have gut reactions to that. So,like ther're initial, like theye're, like superficial reasons that I feel like complaining aboutcommercials, is pointless everyone hates them. There's no point likeyou're not going to change anything. It's not you're bringing nothing do tothe conversation, and if commercials are your biggest problem, then youreally have other like you should not be complaining about them. But what I want to do here is playdevil's advocate and say that advertising in general has a lot ofintrinsic value in our society. Like there's a reason we could doig it allright. So do you have any products that youuse that like make your life easier, that otherpeople like don't know about or don't get or anything like that, likephysical products or software or anything yeah make my life easier? Well, I actuallyfrom basketball. I just purchased NBA Leake Bats, so I can watch everysingle NBA game. I can watch like four games at a time. I can watch themrreran. I an watch reruns on demand. I can download shirt. I used to go on like redid streams yeah, but thenthey would always crash, and so I want to support the company that I so howyouer how'd you hear about the game pass well, yeah a e advertise yeah yeah.So I have a lot of products like that. I used grammarly, which is like an Athotrack placer. I is dad too FANTAII love Grahmaly, that's gratly! Yeah! This onthis podcast is brought to you by gram raerly to okay, but right because it'sbasial at its most basic level, advertising exists to feel like aninformation gut. You don't know what you want is, so you know it existsright. So like going way back. Inventing the wheel was a massiveachievement, but they were still trives thousands of years later that weren'tusing it because they didn't know about it kind of bringg that forward. If youclick on like a facebook ad for a show or a concert that you want to go to, it doesn't matter that advertising hasswage. You like you knew you wanted to go. You just didn't know you were theband was playing or whoever UN til. You saw the AD. So that's. My first pointis that advertising exists to fill an information gap. So the second point isthat a lot of people just think all marketing is span, and it's true that span advertisingexists is space to advertise is cheap and if you throw like a wite enough netyou're going to catch some people in a moment of weakness. But I feel like anysystem that offers rewards like profit, are going to attract people who areready to like game system...

...and, if fere being honest, truemarketers try to avoid annoying or irrelevant, as because businessesdepend on repeat purchases to turn a profit and if you're annoying yourcustomers are putting them off. That's not goingto happen, you're not going to make a profit, and then I also want to talk about the idea that marketing is separatefrom the product or adds no value, because I think a lot of people thatcomplain about advertising see it as like extraneous do you prefer Cocer Pessy cove, butliterally because of the taste, because the taste yeah it Ri taste likemedicine O me. So perhaps YEU did a blind taste test and found theconsumers actually liked it more than coke coke did and Cogot Mad, so theydid their own taste test and they found the consumers actually like cokemore.The difference in the two test is that pepsis was blind and coax was not. So what that tells us is that marketingactually improves the perceived taste of the product. Same with W I mean you mentioned,you've told me Your family and so not like they're alcoholics, but they enjoywine yeah. You have like a preference inline like what O, what do you drink? Well, it's just by mean you could argue.My family advertises wine to me like sure I love Ferori, Corato e, Shar, nayright. I Love Pino Grigio Weav like an inside joke about that. Like I lovethat yeah I like drink, Stella teer there you volike be colly, because myfamily Ri buys that and stead's. Basically indirect advertising andagain same thing with COK and Pepsi. Studi show that actually only five toten percent of people can taste the difference between a chieap and aexpensive ine and a blind taste test. That's funny see my family wou disagreewith that. It's crazy! I know right. I disagree with that. I disagree with theCoke and Pesssy thing too. I think there's definitely a taste difference,but studies have shown otherwise I mean Co. Tas have these people ever hadcokyeah there's had yeah because well I did. I did a blind taste. Ass. Worganthought I didn't know the difference and I did it. Iexxaustit yeah, that'sinteresting, okay, continuebut! So so I'll just say that there's marketing isin Trinsit to the product, it adds value and that's a percived benefit andyou cund say that a percuved benefit isn't as good as a real ventof benefit.Maybe that's true, but you can't deny like the power of it like think on Apple, like the iphone isbeautiful and it's easy to use. It is objectively and functionally lesscompetent than an android Phoam, but most of the develop world uses appleanyway, because their marketing is so strong. So that's really where I'm at it's.Just that I mean I'm welcoming your response, because I know I can tellyou're thinking about stuff yeah, but I think that a lot of people liketo complain about advertising and for the mot for a lot of it surecommercials. Whatever a lot of it, is probabuct that you don't need orproducts that you are never going to use or things likethat. But I think that there is some intrinsic value to watch at them and itdoesn't bother me the same way that it bothers okay, all right all right. So let me Clar letme CLARIF. I wont theFirst Point: Sard, you talked about the wheel yeah and how could you repeat what you said aboutthe wheel like there was advertising to get people? People didn't know aboutthe wheel because ther I lack of Whel Wer. We Sai Ike were o o, like Alieevnbpainpastor, like gramerly like we're using it, and it's making our liveseasier, but other people don't know about it and they wouldn't know aboutit or it would take so much longer for them to know about it withoutadvertising. So, like the wheel, like people wereusing the willfor thousands of years, while other tribes didn't because theyjust didn't know at e, existed, okay, but so see with that. I wouldargue that I mean those are two fundamentally fundamentally differentthings. How so? Well I mean take what you say that like Tu pace isdifferent from like a coke or like a wheel is different from like grammarlylike it's not as essential. You know like do you thought we'regoing to get to a point where, like it's quit, essential to have grammarly or leav pass? No, so here'swhat I say to that is that marketing, so you're, basically saying thatmarketing address is like wants and not like needs right or like there's adifference in like well. I feel like we're an a I feel like there's a fineline. Good Marketing, thankes people, good marketing, makes people think thatthey need something sure we don't need. grandmay right, no need, but so myresponse to that would be that above a certain income level. You don't needanything true, like B t taking care of what you want at that point, takespresidents over things. You need, because you had everything you need,but so, okay, well by Hotr, you MAG yeah, like people said Peopleye, didn't need a carback then, because you had horse and buggy right, then the motor wasinvented. Well, so they're on dees were in yeah. So so do you, but, but now wedon't have I mean what would you say...

...the next like model, not even just carsbut like what's the modelty of today's generation? I don't know, I think cars.I think it's electric cars. I know we've talked about this before, but so not to get to like deeper meatowwith this yeah, but incomes are rising across the world and materials arelimited right. So the only way to satisfy in my eyeis the only way tosatisfy everyone wele avoiding conflict, is to create some kind of wealth.That's intangible, that's not based on material resources, and so that's a want. You're creatingis for us to create, wants that we can give to people n experiences, sure orproducts ore software. Things like that that don't take up massive amounts ofso like if advertising our could design that everyone want to drive electriccars wars over oil disappear or not disappear, but like a bate yeah, I mean that was my. When I myinternship and stuff, I mean they cater. We would put on experiences for theUltra High Networth, so you're not just buying a ferariy you're buying helifestyle right, the champagne celebrity meeting and all that that'slike a cackage, okay, you've, okay, I've, you've convinced me on that point.I do agree with you, but there's some things that I think I'm Goinno, I'mgoing to add a portion to this nea go fort and I think he's not okay anymore,as we are so we have twitter. We, a facebook, beof targeted Advarisane,like you were saying. Those are great. I click on targeted adds all the timeteh, because I'll Google, I was googling gaming laptop the other day that justcame out and then I get as for and I click on it. Xce Yeah I like toconfigure cars and stuff they'll, never buy. You know that kind of thing, butsaing with like high performance computers ill pick on those that'srelevant to me. I actually just asked Morgan. I said what ads you get onfacebook and she's like I get like exercise Absan lines all about. LikeSoccer Jersey, Youus, Ocetur E. I get graphics cards like video game, ShitYeah. That is genius. I think what we're past the point of is generic addson television, especially local TV interest, because I was watching Itiwas in Florida, overfall Brak. I was watching the miamihee during thepreseason and the advertiserts were all used car dealerships. If you've, you know, lawyers like with Li, Istupid cases Lik. If you take an Extram, you can win two million dollars incourt by settling like yeah. That Shit doesn't apply to me Russell. I think your roommate gets mad at thesegeneering advertisements, Lik one. What who or yeah because they feels likethey don't apply to him right. If we entered an era were TV commercials werethen connected with your your Internet profile and gave you targeted ads.That's how we would do t, because you know what youtube right you, Google, Idon't know if you don' is this, but the advertisement not all the time, butmost is relevant to what else. Ee Video Yeah, if TV did add and TV kind of does thistoo, but I think that's a fine line. Because could you imagine if nowtelevision catered different, advertiserts wellespecially, they kindof? Do I mean so? I signed up for Holo in Wocester. I was physically inwiestor yeah, but somehow I'm getting political as for Maryland for mydistrict. So I know billing an dre yeah and that's on local television too,like so yeah. No, I think we're definitely headed in that direction.Well, what I just like a Black Mirror episode. Everyone's got their owntailor like, but I don't even mean just like State City, like your address orlike the content you're watching, but I literally mean I think, advertisings next step. Ifwe're going to continue this whole idea of television right, I have TV. I thinkwe need to incorporate even more personalized ads sure, and if you havea problem with ads, then pay the premium and don't have to worry aboutit right. The reality is not. Everybody wants to pay Waas it eleven. NinetyNine, a month on Hulu Yeah to get NOAS whoos standards. What fivedlars that'sfive bucks yeah, and how long did the ads normally take up like under aminute minute, like total Gross, like a thirty minute like it's usually likeyou can see how many are in the episode there like little blips on the TimelandI's, usually like two or three an episode. So it's like three minutestack on I mean Yeah. I don't know. I do there's some ads that I do. I doappreciate advertising. I do get it a D, we're probably biased, because yeacommunicatsn, Har Hese majors and we understand persuading audience and allthat but advertisments do suck, but I think itdepends on what the advertisement is right, because when you think aboutwhat is so and so want four virthday or whatever, and you want to buy somefrivolous crap you looking at advertisements yeah I mean I wanted it.I wanted a Nintendo wee when I was in fourth grade because the advertisementright and Mario Cart and everything...

...it's powerful yeah. So I think advertising will never finish, but itneeds to evolve sure television, that's interesting, yeah T at's good. That wasmy first topic. All right. We're going NA, take a quick, Tearqi break andwe'll be back. I will present my second topic here,which is not sports related thin Y Sitin on the first PAS had to geteatons on airs, Weny Brides. All of you that I'm right, everyone can say whileyou're negus. So I want to talk about net neutrality. Okay, I don't want totalk about whether it should be a thing or not,because that's a hole other just yeah. What I want to talk about is what'skind of that, but what I really want to talk about is looking at from the cablecompany's perspect, okay, okay, because it's a little bit with so okay. Thoseof you don't know what Netnou chanlty is because a lot of people have askedme sure, I'm particularly noncause to Wat. I feel like I feel like it's oneof those words thereare terms that flies around, but no one can really orknow what, like most people, don't can't really define like a few Hausyeah. So I have the basic fass definition, I'L, say and I'll kind oftranslate it but ill. Just briefly summarize from wicopedia whics,actually good, okay says: Net Neutrality is the principle thatInternet service providers treat all data on the Internet, equally hand, notdiscriminate or charge differently by user content website, patformapplication, etc et ECETEA. So basically practical example is if a cable company does not want you towatch their television versus Netflix, they could throttle, and by that I meanlike limit your speed on Netflix, but then, if you use their streamingservice, still vatrazing fast right, and so what are you going to pickyou're going to fick their service? Bow? Here's the thing this never really was in my my eyes andcorrect me if I'm wrong shirt, but I think the biggest debate that's comeoff of this is when we've started getting Internet TV, because before thewhole concept of net neutrality was cable companies and Internet service,provivals providers were working to stop people from pirating content,right, yeah and so cable companies can now block torrenting, which is like afile sharing service. It's very popular until you get your free movies, VideoGames, music, etc and otherwise make you have to obtainmedia and content by legal means, but now because we have Hulo and Netflixand stuff there's this whole concept of. Oh, my cable company should not be lowd tobloct ther slow down my Hulo. If I'm paying for it right and then theirargument tends to be well. If you don't like what we do, tryanother peaple company, but the problem is that not every neighborhood or Househas access to every cable, comerte right and they're not going to go andinstall it's not worth it. For the cable companies to install wholefibroptic network, for just one person like it has to be right, profitable, sowher, I'm going with this is how would you from the cable company's perspective,because it does make sense right right if I was a cable company O, I have thelegal power to do this. Then I I min moral society, yeah, there's no reasonnot to yeah, because it's a business I mean that's what you think about itlike on a highway. If you pay more, you can get in the Carpool an sor for get aeasy past fastast, whatever you call it in different states. Whatever is CASSpass, onl the traffic right ne or you can sit with everybody else, but that'slike money and that's accessibility. That's a whole! Nothing right, but mypoint is: is that like do you think there's another solution to that?Because California, just Blotd, you heard this Calfaa just blocked the netneutrality law, and now I think they're being sued, yeah pretty crazy, but leave it leaveit to Calli yeah we're always the OSO. You know what I mean, so I totally getlike if you're paying for a subscription service and your cablecompany desires to block that. I feel like that. I don't know how I feel like I'm, notI'm not versed in legalleds, but I feel like that's contradictoryenough, that there should be a legal problem like if you're paying for aservice you're paying for two services...

...and one of the services is activelypreventing you from using or hindering your use of the other service. I feellike there should be a legal problem it there somewhere. I don't know what itis. If we have any lawyers listening, which I highly doubt, go figure thatout get back to me, my grandfather, yea yeah, there you go so here e. The otherpart of this IA to bring up was, I don't know if Youv seen like ads firsprint of cellulars ant Mo and any cel provider when they offer a limited datapackages right at the bottom of the commercials. datawill throttle yourspeeds will slow down after you use, I don't know, let's say ten gigobites inone caand. I trust their month. Okay right! So you you get unlimitedto datafor one price, but the speed Playo it, and so there's all these grayn thinlines, because this is all very new to US sure. My question is there's twosience of this. In My, in my view, should part of me thinks that thereshould be almost like a like constitution of the Internetbecause we're literally entering a virtual world with all this I could,but the other part of me says that at least in the United States- and Imean you- do see Tis another parts of the world when a government getsinvolved with the Internet. It's not fair right. I mean there's somuch sense censorship. So so, let's traw a Parawell, then okay, because when the Rock follers and whoever weretaking over entire industries, the government stepped in with laws againstmonopolies right saying that you couldn't have control, and soessentially what cable companies are doing, because it's too expensive to go,provide access to every neighborhood when you allow them to throttel services, Youredecreasing competition like there's. No, they have zero incentive to make anyeffort or change, which is not just it's not lak identical situation, butit's not dissimilar to a monopoly because we're basically saying we'regiving you this service, you can't go anywhere else for this service. This iswhat we have. So why not established yeah? Not I don't know constitution,but some somebody best designed to kind of regulate that and make sure thateveryone is being every cable. COMPANYES is like treating Oir cusconsumers fairly, and everything like that. I don't know it's a reallyinteresting. Like CAS e Tol, I mean you know: Video Games have the ESRB right,which rates video games and stuff and like they there's a kind of rules to go by eachthing, Ya. What if we had some kind of like third party organization to spellout, what's included in certain Internet service Chiners or packages orstreaming, but not necessarily afill good with the Gary? Does that okay yeah?Because I think that it my view. I think the government is a lot of shitto worry yeah rather than freaking. I mean we. This is a whole nother thing,but like can we we should attack like government needs to work on like gunviolence before we work on like freaking virtual Internet Servi, youknow like we can. We can take having everything slow down, tby five secondsif it means prioritizing yeah like so, I feel like, but there there's so muchpressure on from these big million dollarconglamerate. You know corporations because they may monopolize right rightnow and so, but if we could kind of get somecompromise because I really think in the future I mean we're going to go inthis whole VR World Sorfacsi will turn into like a three dimensional conversation in a room like there needsto be laws not like go to jail laws but likethere needs to be some kind of regulation on all sides. I feel like sharp. You know what I meanyeah, I'm with you Yeah Huh interesting. What do you guys thinkyeah het us out? FACEBOOK, twitter, instagram, probably dot instacram, butthe other two, the under two, a Nick David Show, and I see KDAVA, show yeah.Let us know all right hit me all right. This is my last topic before we bringin our guest we're going to talk about my favoritefile format, flike computerfile yeah. Oh, it's a gift, it's not a gift! It'sa shift and that's what we're going to talk about. Okayyou know what thatstands for graphic. I don't know: Yeah, graphics,interface, format, okay, yeah, but nobody says like GIS, which isimportant, we'll get back to that. Everyone says either get for Chift, so I'm going to start with the classicmove for people who say gift is to say is to say, like you know, nobody saysdraffics right, like everyone I talked about. This has said that that actually doesn't make any sensewith the word Jiff, and so here's why there are a very specific and sometimesI vi ou s but very straightforward, set of rules that tell us how to pronouncethings in English and they are, as followed at least, is relevant to thesituation.

So if the letter G is followed by an EIor Y, it's a soft pronunciation. So G and I you've got magic margin. Originengine, like all those Gne, have page generation, detergmentvengeance, G and why you have astrology Egyptian Gin, but the letter G isfollowed by it. Literally anything else. Pronunciation is hard, so cauzebo glovegays go grab com, like all those words, so all that that means is that, sincethe G is followed by an I in this case, it should be pronounced as a soft G, soJif and theieare exceptions to that so likegifts or give, but when their exceptions in those cases,pronunciation is dictated by the Etomology of e worts like the origin.And if you look at the origin of Jif, it comes from the words it stands forwhich come from the ADVENTOR, which is Steve Willhight, who has said publiclythat he intended it and always intended it to be pronounced Chif. So the laws of English and the Creatorboth say that it should be pronounced Chif. You can say that, like usage drivesdefinitions like a most people are saying gift and you can understand whatit means that it's fine or whatever. But there are a lot of people in the USthat consistently misuse words Ar speaking like regional sling, and wedon't consider those words correct so like if I say Finna, you know what I'mGoingna like. You know how to use that or something right, but it's not thedictionary, and so then some people try to look atas as an acronism act. WHOA. Let me start that over some people try to look at it as anacronym right, and so, if you think that the G and Gifshould be pronounced gift because it stands for graphics, you need to lookat the other aconism acronyms. We use an English language so like ATM The aTance for automated, but we don't say ATM, WE SAY ATM so that doesn't holdthrough whole true and when the Creator, when Bullhitalked about it, he said Publicl, ATS, an initialism and initialisms are wordsthat were originally acronyms that we pronounced like work. So it's not evenan Aconemat this point, so all of this together is just to say that Gif shouldbe pronounced, Chif and you're sitting there thinking. Why are you so hutedabout this? Why does it matter and the answer? Let me just say, Laze Oo. Thisis the Guy Right here we we're sitting in class or with friends, and if yousay it wrong, I mean you will go off because okay, here's why here's Wot?What tell me wha you're wondering why it matters and the Answeran when youthe answer, is it doesn't matter? It really doesn't and it really shouldn'tmatter except that people who say gift and hear other people say Jif are sofucking obnoxious about it. That it makes me need like it has like. I havethis internal need to defend it, because if you say gift- and I say Jif,I will correct you right, like you just said right, but I only started doingthat because every time I say just some asshole is like it's Pronoch gift andI'm like it's penounced, Jist and they're. Like you, don't say: Trafficsdo you and I'm, like God, Damn it N. I'm have to go through the whole thing.So now I started reversing it. Ind Correcting other people right so nexttime you get in this argument. You even give somebody our business card rightsay: Listen to episode, a or Cenofma Link to the article I wroade about thisoues right. You was online yeah because the point being it doesn't matter, youcan say whatever you want, but don't fucking correct me on it, because Iwill school you that's it! That's all I wanted well. I learned something today,yeah that is actually I will say, like Jif tow, you probablywon't. I probblynestly I'm going to send you a gift today, good, like I'vePu this one bui had I again I'm going to Mession erab again, but we had youknow we used to work security together, so we had three hour shifts walkingaround one shift. Someone said the word. I don't know who it was and the nextthree hours was dedicated to us just yelling at EAC, like literally likevery heated, he has arcumentedit to that's what prompted me to write. Thearticle originally was nargement. I haveerk, but shot on in Eric shout outto my boy Eric I'm gonna make a listen to this episode for sure. He's stillgot TA catch ut. He said. He's like a month back he's catching up. Thoughe'll hear this when you hear this Arac know that I know that you're behind. Sothat's our last topic, so we will take another quick break and then we'll beback with our gass. Welcome back to withnick and David, wewere here with our fantastic guest, Niki Benya, the CROUSE, not right, yeahcool, I'm. Here too, I'm really hip ER,...

...some tendo restraim te yeah. We've beentrying to start this. For like five minutes, I had some honey green teawith ninety four millorams of Catheine he's douncing of for wall. Do you DRIKcoffee? No, a lot of our guests. Don't drink coffee, I drink tea. I don'tdrink coffee. This week I have been douig coffee. It's been one of thosewhich I don't think Hi's been helping. As, like a stress coffee thing. No,it's like. I need to stay awake to Bot shit type of got it Funn that works too.Do you enjoy the flavor of the flavor? Absolutely not. I was Goinna haveherfollow gams coffee journey, but no, he wanted ask you the other day and washaving people smell, a bag of Puerto Rican, coffee Yaet, it yeah like aZiplock, not like a yeah. I don't know where he got it fromthat's a relatale anyway, so we talked about before you came on. We talkedabout David Bade, some very bold, NBA predictions for this coming season. Wetalked about net neutrality and then we talked about advertising. I will fucking murder you what we talknabout asker, O okay, Cyou, already SAI it. No, how do youlk you say: GIFEWE'RE gonna have to go back this episode after it comes out which I'msure you already well. It's called Jiff, just some, no o TAT's the right badprononcing. It that's fine you're not going to stop I've. Converted David! Iknow I don't want to stop you from saying. Ijust want to SOM PEO from correcting other people. I think is rats the goal:Ers e Rold, here's the really cool thing. When you don't give a shit,you're fun, you don't you're, absolutely fune! That's what we talked about. Isn't itthat it? Yes, that was it four topic you want to talk about what you'retrying to accomplish. Currently yes, right now, I am currently in the workswith Patrick Wedrick starting a standup comedy club on Campusi did stand up over the breakfor the first time in like a really public setting, and you know I kind of I just thought like.Why haven't I done this before it was terrifying and got wrenching, and Iwent to this like small little restaurant. That was having a stand upopen my by myself, and I was like: Let's just do it and then I was like:Why is it there something to kind of get people to that point of? Let's justdo it. So my friend Patrick he's, really funny he's in tothrher shoes he's been trying to start a cub likethis for a while, just hasn't really gotten any like Momentu minite right. Iwas like. Let's just do it, you know we're going to do stuff likestand up open, mikes featured comedy events with student Canadians.Hopefully, if we have any GEF commedians do like workshops with them. These are big plans. Big plays buttravel off campus to like Cleveland or Akron, and see what like off campus, open, Mikeslook like and what comedy as a profession might look like and then also do like activities inclub to kind of prepare you for what it's going to be like. You know to actually do comedy in that settingit's. So that's really interesting for me, because I feel like a lot of people when they think of comedy or Comedians.They just assume that they're, like I don't know like natural born talents,that it's just something that you do, but you don't V, you don't likepractice or workshop or anything yeah or not. Even I mean people know thatcomedians practice, their theirwn jokes, everything, but like not something thatyou wearn't. It's something that you just start doing. I mean I thoughtthey're. Naturally I mean sure yeah, I'm one of those people right, and so Ithink, because it's not like something you can major in or like something youcan take. I mean you can take a class in, but it's not something that people thinkabout like where that comes from. So I think tit's really interesting an areally cool opportunity to have that kind of experience on campus, big dangs. So didyou overfall break? Did you do stand that yeah so where? Where did you do it?So it was a restaurant in Arlington Virginia called Summers. I thought it was going to be a littlebit more amateur than it turned out being also I'm goingto take a second totalk about women in comedy. Go for is when I went to this open Mi. I have A.I have thoughts on this good, I'm gladigh, but I went by myself. Okay, Iwrote I just decided kind of like on the fly. I wrote the jokes like an hour before,like in a coffee shop, next door, W en went into the restaurant andimmediately I was bombarded with people being like hey. Are you like this guestcomedian from San Francisco L K? Is that you ore you like headlinding this,and I was like I'm nineteen yearold. Nobody like the just because I'm awoman oand like and th she walked in and mind you like. I get it. The female form is likepretty similar, but this girl was like blong right mind you O notlone UAND,like short and like we just didn't, look the same rejectively, we didn'tlook the same and I was like, like I'm, not hurt, and I felt so Godso there's there's a huge. So I'm really into stand of comedy O I listento it. This is going to make me sound...

...like a Dort, but I listen to it everynight. When I fall asleep like to fall sleep. Did you know that Dadid? No, Ididn't Nowhatono. Do you like spotify and or I use my door? Okay, so there'sa huge I'v Actually wrote a piece about this. Its Tim, my Blok, HIV thohtscomcheck it out, but about the problem with the industry,because we're having this home B, two movement and a lot of those allegations are coming from the comedy industry.Specifically, the standup world, like Lewis CK as Hese on sorry, likebig names, are being accused of this and basically all the pieces. I've readon this and all the interviews that they've done they're basically sayinglike this is a widespread thing in the industry. It's not just us, which isnot a good excuse, but it means that there's no room for women to enter thelike. It's they're, silencing a lot of female comedians just by the Cultu of the virtue ofhaving I culture kind of tententionally. To that I don't enjoy female Comedians as muchas I do male Comedians, and I think that's because I' been conditioned toit. But I also think the subject matters different a lot of time. A lotof the time I will I can okay, I think Thatga lot of that is just like ind, my own thoughts fromkind of resulting from some internalize masogeny right, which I think isprobably true of like the idea of Oh I'm, this type of woman, I'm a funnywoman. Therefore, I'm not this other type of certainness, like woman that I can make fun of, because I, in some way and viewit, isbetter in the eyes of men right and it kind of that locks you down intowhat kind of jokes you can make sure in a way that I think men have morefreedom about what they're allowed to make jokes about, especially like withwomen once you, because there's so few that are like well known yeah. Once youstart down a certain brand of comedy, you get kind of locked in feel likeyou're, doing teel, exact yeah, because I watched you know the standupsyeah. So I've been watching that and it's basically David. It's like aseries of comedians that each do like a forty five minute set. Okay I' beenwatching that and I like, I don't feel like all the femalecomedians that I watch and this could be a blanket generalization. I could bevery wrong about this, but all the ones T I've listened to and the big onesoversexualized their sets to the point where it's a correctl, not aggressivebut exaggerated. I know I know like men, do it to I'm, not I'm notsaying they don't. Like Lis CK talks about dicks for most of his set. I don't I don't. I don't know what theproblem is, and that might be. The problem is that it's, I would considerthat hypersexualization of the Soufh, almost a reclamation oay. I can do thisto CHURC like just because my life had't been popularized as beingsomething funny. You know if a woman makes a perior joke, for example likeoftentimes people are like, ah quit it yeah, but a guy can talk about. Youknow his Dick for forty five minutes and everyone's like Eah, and it mightbe that it's not relatable to me it might be internalized Massagne, but I feel like like Youw're saying,like they can fine themselves to kind of that area and that's what gets me isthat it doesn't seem like they have any interest, and I know that they probablydo, but it doesn't seem like they're, making an effort to expand kind of outside of that yeah. I know.Do you talk about it on your? What Wer? Some of the Don Haveto go word for Wer, be youwrote it like? First of all, that's impressive that you wrote it like anhour, bat's Sufer, Fret, even that you did it at all. Were you nervous? I yeah?I will it was also. I was on a first date with a professional standardcomedian that onten Oly rap, so he shut up late and I thought he was ghostingme. His roommate was having like this whole big stick and whatever okay Um, Ithought its. So it started on that yeah. You know like the whole, like in tespirit of October. He goes did me, you know, and then I talked about arectal dis function for a while Nice on then I talked about did like quick like two seconds as atransition from a rectile disfunction. I talked about online dating and thenwent straight into. Budtings ad did that for a second and then itwas a really short, which is bi, yeah yeah. But you know it's just the kind ofthing it's like how you bring it up and, like I don't know, Wall sorry. This issomething I wanted to say earlier. What oat you might really like it's onNetflik its called ENET, okay, it's by a Casmanian comedian and she's, queer and seshe uses she her pronounce, butshe's, not very gender good, forming ancresentation and she has a veryunique perspective, and I think this is something that you'vecan like. It's pretty prevalent in comedy. Right now is to take a stepoutside of this show bigh. I know John John Malane's done it. Yeah overamesdone it and Tyn to talk about your...

...personal struggle, because for longtime, people kind of assumed, Oh you're, funny your life is perfect, which like, if anyone is funny theyknow it's like a way O. it's a cop yeah, it's it's anactinright, but she really talks about her. Her story in her life growing up as a queer nonconformingwoman and how she used comedy to kind of block outdealing with her trauma, and I think that's something that a lotof women do. You know, I think, just in myday to day life like most of the women I know are really fucking funny yeah,but they've been through some shit right and Eso. That's a really goodcomedy show. It did make me cry it. It's like comedy for the most part andthen right at the end. She just like has mis so huge emotion on release andit's beautiful. I check that ut, it's absolutely beautiful. It's a work ofart but yeah. I also feel like. I should throw out there. I don't thehyporsectiualiszation thing. The content matter itself is what I mean. Ithink a lot of it is the way that they bit different afvisuals go about it,which is a personal choice. I think the content matter itself is also lostappeal for me used to be super into. As he's I'm sorry like before everythinghappened, and he talks a lot about that, whatkind of stuff and so do Louis Dk, and now I'm watching more John LannyMicrobiglia, my favorite comedian right now, James a caster from the UK. He haslike a series: it's like a special, but it's like a series of episodes andthat's like called repertor super funny easily my favorite comedian and I can'tthink of a single joke. He has aboutsexuality right right, like Ithink I think, as I'm growing, I'm Matori in my Mi take. I think alsothere's, like that's kind of been played out ina way that sure kind of like almost done with it, especially because,like John Milany, I think, did a really big thing for the popularization ofcomedy and what people are now expecting for short from comedians andit's a little more subtle, well n. Then he went tobig mouth, though a co nicowrote yeah and he he's a voiceactor on it maybe helps guest right for it. They're crazy, that's the kind ofDavid we got to be like John Wanen that Croll I went to college together. Theydid a those two standup come yes andtheydid. Ow Hello, they've done a lot of stuff together, okaythey're bigthey're, Gid names in comedy right now, Cois, and they work really welltogether. So O get on your game B, Yeah coing intem FAMBOM. So how did it feelwith Binabon after you like? Did the audience receive it? Well,wors there like yeah, you know people laughed where I thoughtthat they would, which is always. You know what you want. Wit aboarding right,one joke didn't land very well, but it was a transitionary joke. So was fine. I have a have a tangential question: Goahead, you're also in a poetry. I am. I am co, president of the Poetry Club oncampus o MOU, and so you have fr publicly presented poetrybefore o yeah. So do you think that that prepared you like? Do you thinkyou were more comfortable on stage in front ofthe like? Because of that experience, or do you think, because I know I knowthey're totally different right but in both circumstances, you're presentingyour own work and you want the audience to feel what you're trying to make themfeel. So, I'm just curious, like they're, both nerve racking one is amore direct. You know you're talking about yourself you're talking aboutyour emotions through, like metaphor, whatever poetry and the other oneyou're like you're tryingyou're, trying to get something out of it. You knowyou're trying to get o laugh, so you need to structure it in a way. That'sjust like surprising enough n that people are like Pah. You know that's iereaction. No, but I did competitive spoken, word, poetrythrough high school, so I did have some strage experience there. I hate public speaking it terrifies me anTS. ELAS gonna, be my Follup, Okay Dod, but I do it. You know it's the one ofthose things where it's like once I'm there, I'm okay, especially you know if Youve ever done anything, that'sperformative, even if it is your own work, you kind of step out of yourselffor a second and you're like in this moment for this time. I am doing thisand it doesn't like Lik it's worse if it's room wor, not worse but likeharder, like, I feel like when I'm when I'm giving a speek like I'm verycomfortable polic speaking, feel like if I'm giving a speech or presentation,it's totally fine, like I'm very comfortable t there, but as soon as itfeels like I'm sharing a part of myself. That's when I like, freeze, U or not,freeze up but get nervous and stumble over words and like chow up I'm a Ishake o have to speak or I'm like asked to speak, I'm a big baby when it comesto that kind of thing. But like you get used to it, I mean after awhile,...

...when you, when you write, poetry, it's you might be the voice, the speaker ofthe poem, but the Speaker of the poem is separate from the writer of the poemall right. So you kind of take that in with you same thing with comedy, youknow it's your joke and you're the one telling it you're the one who craftedit, but it's just that you've crafted it, but o you feel like like howcomfortable would you be giving that poem or that joke to someone else topresent that's difficult? It's the same, likeI'm very bad, at sharing my poetry in text yeah, because I have such ahistory of performantive poetry. Well, an I my problem with sharing. That isbecause I feel like they're, going to interpret it or present it or deliverit wrongs which right, which would suggest that it's not separate that itsthe same entity or at least related well in the well. I would say ifsomebody were to perform my poem, I would ask to year at first and thentell ther like what parts you know. Maybe speed that part up, because aftera while sne with poetry, if you're working on memorizing it, you repeat itso many times that you just kind of get into this groove and you find the words and how theywant to be spoken. And so, when you hear somebody, do it wrong it just itturs you all to create it, yeah S, not about all the poets right now, like allthe dead poets that were reading in, like all this Deltra like like asociety of them, Hey, didocity, no ut, don' you now at mean, though like Yeat,and we don't actually know like there's all these theories about Omean. I tooka lot of poetry classes actually in high school and one of the easy grade, one of the easy.That's what they've in that's what theyveen mains when he says that no Itook it. No, it was actually really some of them ere really hard. I'm justbassing my gon broke and I broke me down because I never thought ever readpoetry. I actually like I, but basically do you think whe. My teacher wasarguing that a text should be able to speak for itself and a lot of the magicis that everyone comes up with a completely different interpretation ow.You know we just talked about this ind theories right. I was literally hearted age with that. That's why Ilike, I personally, don't think I'm a great poet yet because I have so muchspace to grow in that regard. Okay, but like I just Tine yeah, but if yourealty give okay, let's say you you've, obviously written poetry, let's say youto a couple times: OCOUPLE TIMES: Okay Right! So, okay, F, you took once Af,you took something and you nake a I bolh treadit right now, bewhich you and we both came up withdifferent stuff. Would you antribute that to that's he magic of Potry, orwould you say well one of Yous Werer brided, Oh yeah, here's a bes thepindepends if you like, if I'm writing about like happiness, and you read itas being like just pure depression, then, like I would say, Hey, maybeyou've misintepreted this the symbol or something like that sure. But for themost part I mean there is room for interpretation, and that is part of themagic and the beauty and the art of this particular style. Of Writing.Like it's fiction, I mean poetry is a form of ffiction right and with thatthere is a lot of space to pick up whatever you want from it, and I feellike the author kind of long those lines I feel, like the author, willalways have an intent and like intended, delivery that is indistinguishable from the the creation in their mind, but Ithink that if someone else rais it and get something else out of it because ofan experience theyre going through or some experience that they had orsomething that they need to take out of it, I feel like that's like I feel likethey can have two separate meanins. You know what I mean. Yeah like it doesn'thave to mean the same thing for everyone, but also it's not it's not a clean cut between the authors and petyeah. I would also say like as long as like the general theme or like what thepurpose, as you were saying I, yes, if the poem can be discerned, then that'sfine. You know, like I have a piece Ino it a list basedpraise poem, so just a bunch of things sort reallyand like a bunch of things anybody can read into. However they've bon. For methey have a particular meaning, but that when somebody hears it they can assign and frescribe whateverthey want to it, which is part of why I wrote the tes. So absolutely you know my voice isn'tgreat. Very much and part of that is like the purpose of it is for people tokind of take their perspective and change it to have more praise and joyfor the things in their daily life that maybe they brush over and that you know.However, you pick up the pieces of it. That's for sure how you pick it up andthat's fine yeah shockingway. I think that's all thetime we have. I love you know we're not structured at all, but every episodewe've done. You always use a very cool different word follow by. I think.That's all the time we have oh yeah.

That's! I just wanted to compex anappreciate it. I like it. Thank you Ticki for taking the time, ofcourse, if you're, if you're interested in I want to Sa Slin poetry, but I don'ttell sime sort word od. No, we don't do slim. It used to bestar three yeah, no Ey but n right now. Word it mouth its just any type ofpoety. Well, so if you're interested in poetry and or standup comedy and acollege woster student whatthat's me I'm all three of those Lah, but what hecan't go. OWAY ITHOUGHTM if they wer interested in thecollege wister student. I was like in also a perspecte like a permanent host.So if you know anybody whtar Yo, boweer tinging, I technially IFYOUOR, you canstay with Davis, but if you stay with David ill, probably end up on thePodcasto, so want that so or you Ne Bay, Prospio I' sayin, the worst all right,we're done! TAT's time we Haveo for coming on the sow. Allow me toreinroduce myself: My name is Sno Akes by Geseven back then you cancall me be Ne Anin in the s pape gram. My name got the HiChickin thegame wher my chain s right, Sim Oun o do like a Phonia Y. stricttol me do finish your breaethat's. What I'm do take o back to the.

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