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We're back! Hit the play button and listen to us take on love, self-driving cars, the latest Star Wars trilogy, environmental evangelism, and the legacies we leave behind with the superlative Gracie Bouker!

We could not talk or talk forever and still find things to much Ahelo everyone. We are back Termati style, second season. Second season its been along time. Has it been a year? How long has it actually been? I think it's beena year. It's been about a year yeah since December Uu is you want a Briadyeah yeah, we're back. We are back brand new season, Arand New Seas, witNick and David Same Insta, social tax at Nick David Show on facebook, twitterand instagram. Yes check us out and you can also stream us now. We arestill in itunes were on Google podcast, but you can also get us on spotify nowso yeah we got spot Um. You have no excuse to not be listen, yeah, theythey were very happy. I had no idea if theywere happy or not, but theyuploaded it so sweet yeah. So quick reminder of the format right to Davieand I are hosting. We brought in two topics to talk about. We didn'tcoordinate these or talk about them at all beforehand, so we're just going tokind of go and then we'll bring in our guest for our the debute episode of oursecond seasond and she'll have two topics and then well talk to her allright. Let's do it allright! You want to go first, yeah I'll go first. I want to. I want to turn this into aromance podcast for a second, Oh God, all right, all right! So here so here'sthe deal. I think that we have this kind of like common cultural perception.That love is this uncontrollable thing right that you don't get to choose whoyou're attracted to and all of that, and I think that that's wherethat'srepeated to us we're told that basically twent o seven and like popculture, I'm thinking specifically of there's a Mikbribiglia standup special, wherehe's talking about a massive fint he had with an ex girlfriend and basicallyat one point in argument he's like. Why are you even with me, then? If you hateme so much and she's, like you, can't choose who you love, and it's supposedto be. This like big poeticl moment and I'm not entirely sure, that's true,and so I wanted to talk about that, especially considering- and I know thatwe've talked about this outside of the podcast, but this whole, like thirtysix question, experiment thing right, yeah, so for those for those unfamiliar. Basically, the idea is that you sitacross from stranger and you take turns asking each other a set of three setsof like progressively intimate questions, thirty six potal and then atthe end you star into each other eyes for four minutes and that's supposed tolike kick start love basically, and the original study was. I looked at upsconducted at Stony Brok University by psychologist, Arthur Aaron and it waspretty successful and I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I want tosay a lot of the couples ended up dating after that, and I want to say acouple got married, although I could just be talking out of my ass so take that with the grain of salt, but so okay, David you're, in arelationship. Okay, you and Morgan have been together for a couple years now.EAN years, what do you think? Do you think that that was like a choice? Do you think that you, I guess thequestion is like? Do you think that we can manually Jump Start Romance? I think it was definitely a choice outof both of us. I think in terms of like choosing. So all right are you saying like asking like, if Ialrea, to use these thirty six questions and tried to have that conversation with somebodyelse that could like kickstart, yeah, matic relationright, it's interestingbecause I my got feeling is like well, no there's a lot of other circumstancesand stuff, but the I mean what what I did Worgan and Ifirst went out like you know, we just literally got coffee and what do youSARN? You meet anybody. You know you ask questions like that's Ho. I get toknow them and obviously, like a lot of these questions on this list, I lookedat the other day like theyre. They...

...start very like Oh, who would you want,is like a celebrity guests to your dinner table Tou like very personal,deep, like intimate, sometimes like questions. So I think it depends on who it depends on who, like I, if you'rewith the other person's willing to participate, an tio those questionslike cold, but also, I was talking actually earlier todaywith some people, and we were talking about senses of like smell and stuff and howthere is a theory sure you probably heard of this like if some people are just attracted tocertain smells like just like natural sense of people and like if you don't,sometimes you can't be compatible because you're, just not it's like a natural body thing andthat's what I guess. That's a theory. We've talked about that because we werelike smellthing, I feel like I've heard is: is that like, if you're attractedto someone smell it's because they have an immune system that works with yoursor something like that? Yeah? That's is from like ap bio five years ago. So nowthat's exactly what this is let'm talking about yeah, and so I thoughtthat's interesting, but I I think I mean I think I think that's agood point about both people being open to it, because that's the difference inlike like, if you're doing, the thirty sixquestions with someone you've both agreed to do it, whereas, if you're ona date like yeah You'e, both agread to be on the date, but you maybe notyou're- maybe not ready to be that open. You know like when we were. I was inclass Ecud a beginning of the semester and we were doing one of those icebreaker things, and it was one of those activities whereit's like. Okay, like ask the person see thanks to you much a question andthen introduce them to the class right and the person I was saying next to was very they didn't want to. You know they were really into it they're kindof like I don't know what to ask, or I'm not really that iyjust IG. I don'tknow what to talk about. You know that kind of thing, and so because of thatthat didn't work, Sal right and so I feel like I mean this could work, butyou have to have two very outgoing or just go for it. Peoplewhich is already something in common wag, mean like if someone's very close like keeps things to themselves. I mean, maybe they'd be down. For thatthing. I don't know, I mean F, I what if they invented like a- I don't know if you want t make likedrugs now alcohol with it, but if theyhaed some like space that you couldgo and meet other people. Do this thing: You're yeah you're describing a barit'snot Fars. I mean that's what I mean like Thi. This is a bar yeah, exactlyyeah yeah, I don't know, and then there's also theflipside to that which is like, if you can manually jump, start love. Thatwould suggest to me that you can force yourself out of it right and like that might be true likeyou can definitely make that decision, but that's still paint like t for mostpeople. That's what really like. That's the trait that we associate with like apsychopath Orlocia path. Exactly is the ability to just end emotion, yeah, soyeah yeah, I don't know I truly like thatwas a that's just something that I that came up in conversation the other day. That's very, I think, yeah. Let us knowwhat you think yeah. I think that you could. I think it takes to for two people to Participatein that,like seriously iman tin go, they already both have something in commonthat is they're willing to do this and they're just go for it. Like outgoing,like I yeah, I think that's, I think that's probably correct yeah cool, so I have a long I'm doing one Tomic,but it's inow you glance at it. So maybe is your other topic long! It's not really long! It's a little. Doyou want to just do it good to your other time, ats, okay, ins. It's short!It's just kind of a fun like I think it's a fun. I like it's. I on exerciseoodi'm, trying to figure out how to start your. You know the trolleyproblem, the philosophy kind of there's a trolley coming down a track, andthere fi it's going to hit. Do you save one you liy know? Where do you say fineright, like do you save? Do you do do...

...anything to save the five people andtreet out O problems hat everybody? So it's not really thisis what I'mbringing I didn't just bring in the Trolle probleit's kind of similaranyway yeah. So I think I think that this is a good topic, because it's gotthat kind of trolley problem element which I like thinking about, but thenyou're also a car guyand. It's about cars. Okay, have you seen Mercedes in the news atall? Recently? Oyeah? Yes, I yes, but I don't know. I forgetwhy? Okay, so they right, they got themselves in some hot water. Recentlythey made an announcement that basically said that they're, becausethey're putting thether creating selfdriving cars hm and they put out anannouncement. That's basically saying that trthey're programming, their selfdriving cars to save the driver at all costs. So if there's like a stickysituation like if say like a child, runs into theroad, they'll they'll kill the. If they'll kill thebasically t the program to kill pedestrians, if it'll save the driverinstead of swerving out and rihtlly flipping like there's, which, like, Ithink, make sense from like a profit standpoint, because obviously, ifyou're buying a sel driving car, you want to feel like you're safe m. But I think it raises a lot ofdifferent questions so like like, if a if there's a a Pader uns ut into theroad, should the car make a full stop to save the deer? Even if there'sanother car behind it like do you kill he pedestrian? If the alternative istipping over endangering the driver Likee, if there's a deer in front ofyou and a car behind you, I feel like. If you hit the deer like right, thehoofs can hit going to your winshield right that the thing and so you had adie or you stop the car slimes into you yeah and you hit th yeah, okay, okay,so anyway, I just think that there it's like it's a tricky. I hesitate to saythat the driver is always the one who should be saved and then it gets even more complicatedif the selfdriviny vehicle is like not that this will happen any time soon,but like a prison bus transporting like murderers and death, ronmates are rayand ambulance carrying a pregnat woman like who do you say so? I just thinkit's a really sticky kind of like self driving car problem, and so I guess Ijust wanted to sot know your thoughts on that and then also like, ifsomeone's killeor injured in an accident like this, who gets hallaccountable right. Well, I mean that I think that it's interesting. Youbrought this up because I've, if, if it's self riving cars and somebodydoes get hurt like who's at fault, okay, is it it's the company because, likethey invare the Algorithm Program right right? That does it, but I mean, if Iwere, to buy a self driving car yeah, I would not buy a car. That's like yeah,we'll protect you, but in the one percent chance there's a this n. Thisnot like, because I mean what, if the program screws up yeah, I mean all this.Software has updates like there wild be patchfixes and stuff for like addressissue where car thought deer was kid shark did this and that you know likethat kind of thing. Normally, I'm for, like with like media, a d like the game,industry and cars and stuff like I like it to be their own thing, but I really think, like I say government, but I mean like agood government. absisten like there needs to be some intervet like steppingin and like laws and policy about like how to do this, because if you haveselb driving cars and half of them are like, they have one way and the other halfthey value the others thing you know like that's that gets complicated. Ijust like I don't. If you're about to hit a kid, I guarantee you, no onewants to hit a child and also no one wants to die. If there's a kid on ResStreet, you slam on the brakes, maybe veer off to not hit the kid. But thenmaybe in the moment you think, like I'm not going to flip yeah, then you flipand then it's like you know whatever, but but most people would make thatdecision to not hit the kid like they turnt. But if you're in the selldriving car you don't get that choice or that choice es cen, aready mit foryou, but then by buying that car you're...

...already making that choice. ForYourself, you know what I mean, knowing that that's what's going to happen, somaybe you're still liable right, exactly yeah God and then likecan you be under the influence right and a self driving wil in a selfdriving car? I mean I've seen videos of like Tesslas, just like Teslef, failswith their self driving and like you're, technically supposed to have your handson the wheel right to Cret, but people feel you no one. Does that whatever Imean, I don't know so yeah, that's crazy, because then I think of like we would need to you. Have all roadsneed to be like uniformed ancoded. This yacivic thing like we're here in buster,Ohio like the campus roads are okay, but if you go like ten minutes out likethere's, no, you know it's very well an wilsters, a Wisteris, a like relativelysmall town, like you try to do that in New York and your scre, you just aither a you're,locking, grit, licke traffic, the entire time or like it's just theamount of the amount of things that Thi whatever system you have would have toconsider is unreal. So I just think I like, I know that we're all excitedabout soletriving cars and we're working towards this, but I like I saw this news and I was likeyeah. I D T, I don't know if we're ready, for I don't cose. No, I thinkmaybe like a highway like they already have this, but like the highway stayin,your Lana Sis thing like yea, Tha, Babes Tothin, actually stays in yourLan. It's an adaptive like cruise control. I think that's fine but like if you need something to drive youaround from like your house, the grocery store, you know sure. Maybeinhe's like an emergency switch or something like yeah. You can't, I don'tknow yeah it's weird, so Charlie problemmself driving cars. Let us knowwhat you think at Nick Davidstol on Social Media Yeah. Are we ready fordriver less cars? All Right? Those are my two topics,both kind of quick figured. We keep it light for the first for the first week back yeah first weekback I'm sure we might get into some heavy stuff later with our guest. But we're going to take a quick break. Comeback with David's topic and then invite our guest Ian have anextended conversation and we are back once agan with Nick andDavid, but that is at Nick David Show YeahRight. I used to Je that up all the time and season one and it's like donall of our handles astuff at Nick David Show Yeah Yeah, all right, Annis andlet us know if you want to you know, come through yeah. You want to be onthe show. Let us know we're accepting applications. We need applications.Okay, so you kind of saw my topic. You Glance.I just saw the title. Your saw title. Yes, so all right, you know, I love Star Wars. It's been a very like meaningful franchise in my life,because when I was you know younger, like my grandmother introduced me tothe film franchise because she was my grandparents loved. Like you know,Grandfather Stil, that you know my grandfather still around my grandmotherpassed away when I was young, but the memories I have with her were watching.You Know Star Wars and she would teach you about like the the theme, theSoundtrack and the music and how every character has their own theme and allthis stuff and like extending from that, I also became likea Nerd, a fan of starlers and, like I love it, you know, and so of course,like you know, when the newtrilogy wasannounced, I was super excited and I was like I heard all thes stuff about:Oh no Disney they're goin to ruin, and I was like fuck that no that's okay,like I don't like listening to...

...mainstream media about starmers,because I'm anert about it in Suc Sur. You Know The Wall Street Journal NewYork Times, Cata, t's horrible, but o Ba sa o you'll make your own judgeright yeah. So I saw the the what is it Oknow? It's called therise of Skywalker, and but you know this is going so I ask you this kind of,but you have not seen the Movei, so I haven't see the movie, but I feel likeI know enough about it from social media and Articles Bo, I'm Goin tosfely, like every TI L T ITYPERI you for everybody listeting an me has beenout. You know and I'm curious to know what everybody thinks, because in Racoy someone on the show lastseason love star wars, but and he loved this movie, and I don't so let I just going to get into it allright. Absolutely there were so many times in this filmwhere I was like. You know what like what the hell like. What like I've,never checked my watch at a movie theater ever I went in with the lowest expectations.You know, and I was still I left and I was stilldisappointed as ever. You know the movie was a mess. It's a train wreck,the only redeeming factors, in my opinion, were the visuals and thegraphics right. Whith you'd expect from anything now yeah and especially like.If Disney's blockbuster money throwing into Star Wars, you know and yeah, this was the last film wof the trilogylike it's over there's nothing else to they're, not GOINGNA, keep writing onthis trilogy right. So they had three different directors. One was fired because thef, creativedifferences and stuff- you know Jj Brams, drected, the forct awakens,and then he came back to direct the rise of skywalker after the last Jed. IRyan Johnson was the director and you could just tell that Jj Abrams andthis movie were trying to rewrite everything and also close out the whole series. So in the rise of skywalker okay, we get afilm that simultaneously tries to undo the events from the last Jedi, explain:Emperor Palpaten's return. You know right e trailers right and itintroduces new characters and introduces character developmentbetween the main characters that we havene't even seen, spend a lot of timetogether. Right and, like I said earlier, I taling about Kailo and andrain in Ithe separat the whole Sho skywalker. It's like hey like all thisstuff. Then they come back together for the blit moment and then all of asudden, like you know and you're sitting there and it's just exposition,dump white. You know exposition, don't Wla like there's no time to sit andjust dwell anything. That's going on or just digest. The events are going on.You know in the fource of weekends we spent time with Ray. We got everythinggoing. Do you remember what what is her name rose? Yep Rightyeah in this movie rose, one scene was tin, saying: Hey rose IOU coming withus like on this adventure, whatever that she was like? No, I'm goingto stayback here. I think the general might need me. Translation jevroams is likeyeah that shes not have been introduced that its so stupid, and you can justtell it's so you know so I could go on about. You know all thisstuff forever, but what I want to do is go through. I have fifteen plot holes.All right for me for Star was Sto. I Make Im quake and if you reav anythingresinate to o yeah talk about it. But and again I mean I've already spoiledstuff, but very, very, very bad, so the first onenumber one: How did Pavatein survive the death star destruction explodingright because didn't it just mean absolutely is a dream. Any you know the return of the JediYeah. The thing is exploses like such a la yeah, it's gone and the writersexplained it in up the handle. They...

...said quote and you'l recognize thisrevenge of the sifth because he was trying to waken be ma. Never. He saidthere are abilities from the dark side of the forct that are considered to beunnatural, okay, so cheating death, but have you Soen the explosion of thedeath star? By the way in this film? There are whole pieces of the deak star,like just falling P, like you could found pieces of the deskstar not brokenon this plane. Okay, Yeth. We saw it completely thin, just Sinageis likeadomized yeah, the Ou is just not all right. You cannot bes that. Okay,alright number two is: why did Luke skywalker train Kaiwo after a Wilookskywalker train ray after Kyloren, went to the dark side? Okay, he knew yeah.Do you know of this thing? Younow this toiler Palpitin is raised grandfather.He knew that after he screwed up with Kylo Wren, which is like I'm gonna goand train ray and I'll, be all good. You know and he's knowing like thiscould be bad, but he's going for this could be really bad every time. Anyonehas done anything like this in the past. It's turned out horribly. I know so Imean that's kind of a you know they kind of explain that in the the lastJedi you know with the like. I can't train you so likei give it a kind of apass, but I don't know you know whatever Kylo wryn killed everybody Surkilled like indirectly killed, Leya, indirect or killed his father Consolo.You know like I, we come on so all right and then here you go so in this filmthere's something called. This is number three there's a sifth knife,okay right and basically it's has a directions to a way finder that canthen all the sift people are on this, likeinterglactic dimensional, planet, member, avengers and game. One. Thetime travel an a hyperskipping thing, Star Wars, the same shit, I'm tired oftime travel, that's another story. So on this knife, a just so happens all right to exist.First of all, second of LL. It only works if you stand in a specific partof a specific planet in a specific area, and it assumes that it it's like anocean. Okay assumes the waves of the ocean are as such and Lik roting in acertain way. So you can see exactly like it matches up with the thing rightall right. It's a knife, but you just know: Okay theberfore is, do you remember smokeyep and he was like I'm not the sifth. I O Hav Tho, syth, guess what thehelpet team snoke was a voice and a like a puppet, a vision thing Palpateinconstructed okay, so it was. The suhe was the siple time AK JJ brons is likeyeah, no we're scratch that we're going to do something else. All right. Do you remember, returned the veryfirst or emfire strekes back when Luke went to Degowa and did this tryot withyou? What did Yoda do for Luke Wen? His shipwas all fucked up and like he was like. I got to get back there, but my ship isall covered in the swamp butd. I can't get it out. You know I'm talking about.I don't think so and Yoota like work this ass off and like lift Ot. I pulledit out of the swamp thers, a PLA, beautiful Seeng, of everything likereassembling right yeah. So guess what that planet? That Luke was hiding likean exileon, his x wing. was there missing the door and everything, butapparently it still works. He got it out and Ray used it in the movie. Goodokay covered and seaweed wiis guys Tor Stot Thero, but it's okay, whatever the other thing right is the concept of forcehealing yeah. I Idid see a lot about that. So there's this scene and there's like this giantworm thing and ray, and it's like they're like we got to kill this bigworm to get troug to get this thing whatever you know, and instead ofkilling it, she goes up and she like puts her hand lightly on t and all of asudden, heals the freaking like wound,...

...and the worms like. Oh thank you in theworm goes away. When has a jed, I ever used opellingever yeah. You think that would solve a lot of problems so right and E, and Ihope you're fucking listening to this one right and it can skywalker join thedark seconde because he wanted to force hell pad me to keep her safe and you're.Telling me that rank in just like do it out of yething and if Righcloon Annakanprobably could have yeah and don't tell me, I know what you're thinking right:Oh raise a descendat of Palpatine, so it becomes natural. No because you knowwhat happens later in the movie regg its, not the fuck out and guess whoforheals her Wat. Is it Ioen? Who is not adescendant of Palpatin, so this bullshit allright? Do you rememberSamuel Jackson in yes, yeaalso three remember how he died yeah all right, sohe shooting the lightning al right t. This is a. This is a good one. Okay, so palpeteen in this movie did not learn.Okay, I'm going to redress this emperor Palpetean. Did you not learn to stopshooting lightning from your fucking fingertips when being directlyreflected back from he light seaver, because when he had the light Cemrea,it sap them right, rivery, ight! So get this out. So in this movie again hestarts shocking and raise like all right. Goin, no get my light, seewerout and instead of stopping, he couldn't stop it's like it's pissinglike what he's going. It's just like I can't stuff, but guess what Ray can doit and she stopped so maybe he's old and he needs some like pills. I don'tknow it's so easy to fift like force by Hack, rede yeah, to keep them Ou justid.You cannot tell me it right. Okay, that's I think. By the way, I thinkthat's the name of the episode right there, but forced by actcors biagre.Yes, that's actually that's such quick bi. It's not Qlick Tha, because weactually talk about it. Yeh, that's a genius! You know about Relo Yeah FashTag Gra last time, Relao, you know what happened the movie. No, they kissed just atter, he forceheeold, her right. They kissed. I saw screens out of that, but that's allthat happens they kiss and then he just dies whatever you know, but my thing is: Why did she kiss himbecause she hated him throughout the whole movie and then don't say? Oh No,because in that moment he wasn't Kylebrnd. He was Ben. No, because ifshe had feelings fore had ben she could have huned him ILO at him. It was onlyto make the people on the media and the social stuff happy yeah, oh Ralo, andAl Brisi. You know done all right. I have I'm almost dine, I kind of skippedaround, but the message of the film is to be proudof who you are sure unless you're a palpeteine. Why? Because the last sceneRay is on tattooin and she's sitting there walking across, and this randomperson is like who are you and she's like I'm ready and she's like Ray who,and then she looks out into the Boon and the stars and Shin with the likebeautiful soundtracks coming in and there's a force ghost of like what is it it's freaking, Luke, skywalker and lea, and it lookslike they're all happy and they're smiling and h n. She looks back atlittle and she's like Rase Skywalker, no you're, not RAC, as I you're readingaway from your like. Why can't you reinvent healphit Seeng I mean I, it'scalled rise, the Skywalker so whatever, but that's the only reasonwhy o be an toe to just be a better pulpotin, be a better Balmetine yoatefind with that word metow. You know, okay, so last one is okay, so two more so fin and what the hell is his name, theCommander F, the young like Po, Oh yeah, they're about to get kidled and raisedthere and they're backe a gum point or...

...something right and fins like Ray Right.I gotta tell you something and like Blah Blah Blah Blah and she's like whatand then they're like they interrupt. You know, and it's like that now,whatever than never gets resolved, there's never several times in themovie and then post like Fin. What were you going to say? Like I gont poin liketha and he's like? I can't tell you ou know whatever, so we never know and thething about that and just movies in general, as you can't introducesomething like that. Erless there's a movie upcome Rih, but this is itthere's nothing of coming yeah right. It's like the there's, a principle.That's called this, but you can't yeah it's I mean it's like checkofs gon likeif theres, yes, Ye exactly a hers Ike on in the scene that has to go off atsome point right same like yeah same thing with yeah yeah. So all right andmy last one, okay is at the end of the movie what everybodywas hoping for, Wereas for all of the force ghosts of all the Jedi enst. Youknow to come out and like everyone's together and stuff sor. They didn't dothat they had audio snimpits of like Ray we're with you like everybody, youknow, and that's: okay, whatever that's by that's budget decision, yeah.Exactly do you know in Friso Skylocker we saw it together. You guys know this.Hopefully, when Yota shows up with Luke Ano. Yes, like, I don't want to burnthe Jei temple and Godas like fuck thand. He just raises a fingerbarns eEr sold you. Why couldn't Nota and all these Louk materialize in the have planand health ray just kill, pelpasy, there's so many probably more forceghost than those two tio likeyou can't like Yoda, my Fein the Bahamas likedrinking a pea Colana, but everybody else like you have no excuse, and maybeit's because the Jeni temple on the planet. They canly materialize there,but that's also bullshit, because that all got blown up right. So I really, ifyou didn't already know like, I really did not like this movie. You haven'tseen it, but what have you heard hat it's Ei've read a lot to I mean a lotof I've heard some of those, but I also heard a lot of people complaining about.John playeague is about fin because, basically their point that I've seepeople making us like if you're going to introduce a blackstorm trooper andbasically make the whole point that storm troopers are people too. Then youcan't go the rest of the trilogy, treating them the same way. You knowhat I mean like just shooting them blindly and like killing them left andright. It's like if you're going to Establis that theyre actual people, youcan't just just kill them all. Well, and I miss this but and I don't knowher name because that's how I was already it was two in the morning I wasdone at that point b. There was another storm, xstorm trooper that thin met,and just like Finn, she was like. I was about to kill people a dum point. Itook my helmet off just like Finne it out before someting Ande was like. Ican't do it so then they have two now an Andos in this film yeah and Landohas his arm around her at the Varyom Wand, everyone's like hanging out andhe's like. So what's your story and she's like I don't have one in Landa'slike well, let's find out and I'm like I swear. If they make up I movie onOlando and hear Findin her story. No, you cannot Keneteroit. So I decidedthat I need to stop caring as much about star wars as I I do. I can't seeit opening that I can't see. I obenin me. I just have to let it come to meright, very yeah, but I would love to knowwhat the people think you can't convince me. Otherwis yeah, I shouldsay, though we definitely go, see it decide for yourself t yeah. That soundslike a much better movie experience than the one I had Overbrak, which waswhat you see. Well, you know, I should preface this by saying that WED islegal, recreationally, INDC Uhuh, yes, and I got high with some friends anwent to see cats I hard that movie was a catastrop. It was really bad, but Ihad like a very, very intense panic attack in theaters. It's. It was awhole thing. What we could talk about that later well, they're, like vibrantcolors and like yeah, just cats. Talkit was enough for me honestly at thatpoint like I it was. It was really bad. Getsy yeah, all right, we're going totake another quick break and then bring in our gast thanks for listening,...

...welcome back we're back or back again,this is with Nick and David. You can again find us on social media at NickDavid Show check us out get in touch. We are here with our guest, theinimitable gracy booker hi thank Gracie is we're so lucky to havegracie on the show, because we've asked a million people and everyone's likewe're busy or whatever yeahhe's never been on the show. We were like heyfirst week back from break to Soer kind of scrambing a little. Also a lot,don't probably won't be able to tell by the time we post this, but we had a lotof technical difficulties getting this set up. So hopefully it comes through crazy. We talked about a few things:You're, not a star wards fan. Are you? I really don't know anything aboutstarboys. I kind of figured that's good, don't waste your time, we haven't watched the movies oranything TNOT, one yeah, no David David. Basically, I mean we both talked butDavid spent about twenty minutes railing against e lates, Star Warsmovie by a'd, going piece by peace and picking up plutpls. So yeah like you,you do you watch. Do you watch movies? Not Really? Actually do you read books,yeah? Okay, you know how Woan you finish a book. He said, like you, knowan beginning, midle end and things is kind of a resolve or there's like a provoking thing at the end, and itmakes you think it reflect and stuff yeah that to me is quality, media andYa. Just did not have it and yeah a tnow. We also taught we whenwe're talking about the like thirty six questions that lead to love yeah. Have you heard of that? Are you Iheard you talking about it? I dinner one, nay yeah. We talked about that andjust basically this idea that you can like manually, Jump Star Love. What do you think? I have no experience in the matter, butI think there's probably there's probably some like Trut to that likegetting to know someone like intimately should by sharing like information likethat, I mean todavis point I like, as David point out. That's basically justa first date is just asking each other questions about your life like a first dat or anyfriendship, or even a job interview like minus the I mean yeah iws sa about when I gotcoffee with Morgan. My first matter like we asked each other questions, butwe didn't ask questions like some of those questions on that wis organ whoit's was probably very surprised to see you because she thought she was seeingHenry yes, yeah Morgan thought I was Henry, but when, when I asked he out,she thought I was Henry and she saw Henry and me and she was like, likewhat dod you think we look alike Henry I an you had no more features. When Ifirst met you guys, I'm X, I maxe you guys up. No, not like. I thought you were Henry,but it was like a which is witch a in right, yeah. There you go and we alsotalked about what was that Oh self driving cars and whether or not we'reready for them, because their Mercedes is programming theirs to save thedriver at all cost, and by that I mean like if there's asituation where it's like the driver's life or pedestram, I crossing thestreet it'll, save the driver and kill the pedestria. So we talked about likewhether or not that's ethical and who gets held accountable for AXCELLENC andthings like that, so fun, Sho, interesting or a scarytime, but yeah. That's where we are. So that's not that you're uptodate. Whatdo you want to talk about? Okay? So the first thing I as Tingabout was: this is just a thought that randomly acrossed my mind the other day.So this fast semester I was studying abroad and it' hop tell you have to saywhere you're saying abrock, it's really cool O. I was at like the bottom of Argentinaso and you did an excursion to we did a...

...couple yeah some to different parts of Argentina,one to Chileg and one to Antartica and that just hands down the coolest. Ifer really really cl yeah, sorry Yourso.The reason we went to Antarctica was because the theme of the program wasclimate change in the environment. Those were two of the big three themesof the semester. Sure and I learned a lot about like the environment- and I know nothing about. I was likethe only one there that wasn't in environmental science major right, so Ilearned a whole time and I've been trying since I've been back,to make some adjustments to my like okay, my habits to be more likeconscious of the planet and like most of the things you do that are good forthe planet are also good for your health, like yeah, it's funny how thatlines, Ou yeah, so I've been making like small tweeksand just thinking about things a lot differently like the way I processinformation is just different and something I was thinking about was likethe idea of sharing what you know about how to care for the environment withother people: Okay, Okayyeah, okay, so that in concert so environmentalistenvironmentalism in concert with evangelism. Okay, DO INTEREST! NO AVANT!No tell me not know so. That's like sharing, like your Christian Faich withother people, got it. Okay, like that and Wi sharing what you know about theenvironment with other people, and the reason I was thinking about this isbecause I feel like most environmentalists are pretty liberalright and a lot of religious people are not so liberal sure. However, I somehow fit both those criteria hat toseem, like kind of both sides like being a like solid member of both ofthose you know, parties or whatever you want to call Hem yeah, and I think alot of people. Don't don't see that at a lot of OVERLA. That's interesting too,because you think that a lot of religious values for like any religionor Christianity, especially maybe, would like wink up very well with Lutrespectting nature and the environment. I think it should. I think it should,but like politics really change things, you know yeah, so so what I was thinking about thatwas like some things like. I follow an account on Instagram,something like zero waste or whatever yeah, and that person posts a lot about,like empowering other environmentalists, to share what they know with the peoplethat they care about, and I was thinking about like wow like sometimesI'm reading these post and I'm like you could just substitute a few words andit could be like some pastor talking to this congregation like don't be scaredright and like people like like people like you want to share what you knowwithout making the people around you uncomfortable yeah right and how ca yousay, something it might make the other people around. You feel like Oh Li ging,to act. A certain way around. This per sure tat goes for like both of them and justlike something I found is both of those things underlie a lot ofmy, like I had said, I've like changed kind of the way Ithink about things and processings, and those two like my religion and like mycare for the environment, are two things that are like behind everydecision. I make rinmost so like that's the same thing like Kindof, like beingreally conscious of those things as you're making decisions. You know yeah. So now that absolutely makes sense, andI definitely can see ow. There would be a lot of similarioes with the ways youwould. I mean ultimately Religionis, like like a giant I trying to figure out howplay like it's like the ultimate PR game right. Wait because that makesense like public rely like in just in...

...terms of how you talk about it and howyou introduce people to it like eventualsm. Is that essentially yeah in, like I mean like there's verydifferent context right but like I'm coming at it from like a communicationsmajor perspective. So that's but, and I'm thinking about how that's that's areally good point, because I feel like a lot of environments list, don't maybe I'm following the wrong pages onSocial Med. butbut. Don't take that into consideration that like we need tobe welcoming and when people overwill alsonot making them uncomfortable, and I think that that's probably what a lotof t the like image problems that like vegans have is that they're like you,need to be Vegan like being, if you're not being big and you're killing likeUAN, that's soce, guessing and like, even if that's true you're not going towin people over by doing that, I think it comes from. I agree with that. Ithink it's I mean because you were so when youwere there, I mean where people, I'm sure you saw the effects of ourenvironment negative and climate change and stuff like when you really anthergigo. For instance id you see like deteriorating stuff. Well, you know what I mean: YeahYeah, so right like whe, I, how did you feel seeing that stuff? So something I noticed and that I'veheard about is how like penguin populations are like clometing, so likeNoho's, diving and the Dat can't be because of like hunting or anythinglike it's. They literally live in a placewhere there is no threat, like just some lebroseals. You know so that likeis a huge indication that, like the waters you k o like Antarctica slike heating up faster than any place on the planet and like you can see thatit's having a native impact on on the animal sof there and the Crill to rightsee. I think that the slina Ro yeahlike, seeing that you know like I mean if I seeing that and wanting to do somethingabout it and there's all this frustration and stuff, and I thinkthat's where the you know the those videos and images on likefacebook. You know you see, and it's like ir talking about. I have seen videostalking about the pagan population like nose, diving right, but it's been. It'sshowed like very horrific, very sad images and to me I watch that I'm like I'm in like Oh. I don't want to seethat because, like you know, I wrigt or I watch it, and I I'm like wow. This is very, very sadand stuff, but I think that there is this kind of all or nothing like thing.You can do the change and like so. What have you been doing since you've beenback or what have youven been enacting like? Because I'm curious, because I doyoumeet, do you mean like Invart, what environment, vironment, Oka yeah justlike how? How have you been altering your lifestyle? Ous, like the approachyou wan bout? This is really really cool and I think some people think like.Oh. If we positively teach people about this stuff, hey won't, listen to theother side I's like we have to just throw everything in your face, O, Ithink you're doing a really unique hunch. So what are you doing? ThanksDavid? I want to learn about because I ion'tnothing about environmental science, stuff so yeah, so something else that Idid wh I was abroad, is like the last month of my time. I dedicated all mytime to doing a research project and it was on a effect of plastic on birds, bird populations downthere, and I decided that that was really important, because there arebirds hat come all the way from the Arctic circle all the way down, andthey Lika stop where I was living like Inishwiy, and I found out that of the of all thebirds that I served. Ninety percent of them head plastic,like on their systems like ninety percent and a bunch of those birds werelike in remote places, were, were the...

...only places where they were getting ife were in the forest and like in the canal which shows like well, all thisplastic is in the canal, obviously so like that's, probably where they'regetting their plassic. So that's just goes to say: I've become verypassionate about plastic. The production of plastic is incrediblyharmful to the environment. The use of plastic is harmful to humans and theenvironment. A washing David Hidi havekayand then like the. How you getrid of plastic is incredibly sorry is so dangerous city dirmen, so like allaround like. I can think, like plastic is just such a threat to like all of us.It doesn't decompose pretty like it doesn't de compose, like you can't getrid of it. It's so popular because it's so durable. You know it's too durable,like it won't decompose for thousands of years, so something I've been doinglike the main thing I've been doing is like trying to like scale back on allthe plan, like all plastic. So what that's looked like is my brother for Christmas. So my familyis well aware of my right recent change of heart and he got me what I was like askingfor was a shampoo and like body so bar because, like shampoobottles and conditioner bottles, Comon Plastic, throgg, away, yeah, Ivn. Thinkof that start thinking everything we use jus package in plassic likeeverything, so this bar came in like a like a biedagradable like cardboardlittle boxand. I use that to like wash my hair. Am My boding. Like that'sLitterl, all I use now there you go wow like I don't like that's. I don't useplastic bags anymore. That's like the biggest thing plastic bags and plasticbottles are like the biggest threats because they're just like mask insume,I mean, I think, that's probably one of the biggest barriers to like changingyour habits is that you don't realize what your habits are like, and if youdo, you don't want to think like I don't want to. I don't want to spendevery day. Thinking about all the plastic I use, but like maybe that'sjust our moral obligation like that's and is what you have to do. I thinkabout like Christianity, with that too ECAUS, like ac man, like all theserules, I have to follow like. I don't want to be thinking about how this isconsidered a bad thing like it's just more convenient for me to just do whatI want. You know I this is Tam Genteral, but I feel that way about a lot ofthings like especially politics in my life, like everyone is like. Oh you're,a political science meajure, because you like politics and like yeah, Ienjoy certain aspects of political science, but that's not why I I do itlike. I do it because I feel like there's this obligation and responsibility to getinvolved like I have the ability to change things and if I don't use thatsomehow, then I'm blowing it, but there's no reason that I shouldn't feelthat way about the environment or religion or anything else. So I wouldlove to do research. Maybe you either. You know the answer of this already,but like so, I love like I'm more of A. I love, yellow, vitand water, yeahhat's, just the right amount of caffeine, and it's just like likecoffee, you have to commit to it. You know- and I right I'm not- that big ofa coffee person to whatever so what I haven't figured out yet is why,aside from like lowery or like the dispensers like, why can't there be a you know, O you guys know Loxi team,the Amalian n shop thanks my mom for the holidays and stuff we get it's likethey make like aroma, frequenc and stuff or like bath.You know, like salts festalls, all that kind of stuff. You know, and they havethis new thing now, where you can buy. If you buy a product, then every timeyou want more of it, you just by these...

...refillable e h, bitegradale like stuffand the incentive is your helping environment, but also consumer. If youryou get fivedollars off sure, so there's no reason not to unless you're.You know right. I think that's awesome. So why can't like refe or or convenience? I not wicester.Why can't there be like a vitamin water like? I can't I mean the the press can imagine whoowns by water coke? That probably one of the big I mean the youre screwed up,because I coyes Gota Power, Ri Yeah, I gotta, but if they did that, I meantheir publicty. They would people would love them if they found a way to makethis reusable right thing. I just you know in California they charge likefivedolars. If you don't have a bag, if you ask for a bag, you pay five dolars,so you bring it Bacg, no one like it's, not even like stupid or whatever Y IUS. Just it isstupidis. Just dumb like Oh, I forgot my bag like let ye I'm home and get itbecause I'm not going to pay fine bi oers, tryng yeah, I thin o gjust got tointroduce that with, like the Beverage Department and the Shan Wothink Ididn't think about. Like razors. You know, Wut plastic isin, like I po togethers a lot tospased teoder in Oh, my God, Dotra 's, that's one of theones that I I'm struggling to compromise right. How do you fi yeah,switch to all class colone bottles? No, there are like sites where you can likebuy deoderant. That's in like a videgradable container or yea. You canmake your own, but right that such as a cost like versus that is it more orless for what like to buy like if you want to buy like bi, degradable Joterinor Lik. So a is like significantly more than if you went to Thesur and got likeninety CEN to undredis ther a candidate. I don't want to get into politics. WERTBUT! Is there some candidate who's insectivising these compan, we nee thegovernment needs to incendavize, I mean. There's there Ja an Sley from washmastate was running on as like the climate change candidate, and then hedropped out, and now it's Tom Styr who's like talking about it, but that'she's not going to win so there's that too anyway. That's really interesting. The last Yeag wer about it is like theintent behind environmentalist and evangelists is to like do somethingreally good, like save people, fom maternal damnnation Sur, and to savethe environment from the destructive hands of human consumption right, butyeah. So, like I don't know, there's just so many parallels hi got I I yeah. I do yeah wow we're gonna we're goingto move onto another topic, but that's really interesting to think about. Let us know at Nick David show thattellus what you think someone out there who's listeningshould put together a campaign to introduce environmentalism to religious across class yeah, cross, disciplininordiscipline, class, religion and environment. THAT'S LAS thatis! You culdefinitely do a classalthough. I I looked it up actually online mi beforeThi Sisse, like is anybody else talking about this like how they so somwhereand I didn't find anything Huh. Well there you go. There's your next project.All right did you bring up something else? Yeah it did cool. So next one is at question for HotopyoMIS great. These are good because David and I usually have very differentanswers and it's like kind of a personalquestion. It's how would you want to be remembered? Oh Damn, that's one of those thirtystakes. Questions Istha list is something like that. Yeah H. Would youwant to remember Al right and then, if...

...you start falloing love with Te, thenit works. Ver, the PODCAST Ikein my lifetime orright now we're talking about like if I passed away like yeah, got hernhe dropTAT wo. Really I was trying to be yeah. That was a bad way of putting t like if, within the next week, likeeverything, you've done in your life up until now like how do you want peopleto think about you like? What do you want people to say? I? I guess lookal first yeah go forit.I think my like I've been caught B, mostly freshmanyear. I think I've grown up and I stopped shaving. So people stoppcalling me this, but I used to be called like the golden retrieverbecause I was like well, I still like a full of energy like super like likerunning around you Kn, like whatever and like I think I I mean I don't wantto like. You know, assume anything, but I think that I bring a lot of positiveenergy and AFORDE. You know good friendships, relationships with peopleand like knowing, I guess, being somebody that is like a good. I guess Theya goodfriend, good son, like I tiys hard, because I Iguess to go to like if I you know had a family or something or whatever Icould be like wow l Bo remembered for like my personal qualities but alrit. I contributed for my family like I, soyou it's just like having a like positive influence on those around youyeah, because, like I haven't ou, no, I'm not going! No, like completely zero percent, stop climateChangeor, like I'm, not Goingto, like impact the whole world, but I try tothink about like dayto day Ev witout thinking about this, like what did I do that made me feel good today, but alsolike I thrive on others like positive energy, like that kind of thing, that's a hard one. I like it. That'slike a do. You know what I mean, though, like what are you thinking that this s tosbounce idea that are you going to answer this too? Okay, you Canm Cure.Okay, will noi yeah, I don't know Ti is a really hardquestion. I mean my instinct is to say like that. What's that quote, that'slike if Youve made an inpact on one person, you made it a ect that you'vedone enough or whatever, like I'm with you on that, like being a positiveinfluence on those around you, but I think I also have this. I'm not sayingthat this is it's tricky, because what I want to be remembered, as may not be healthy, hmm. Does that make sense likeI have I feel like I have. I do a lot of things that I don't need to do outside of school and work like I do alot academically and professionally, but like this podcast and everythingassociated with it and David knows that that's that's like a decent mount ofwork to you webs my website, yeah. I have selfpublished two books and I'mputting out a third soon like I do. I put a lot of effort into putting myself out there and I thinkthat part of that is because I want to be known as and remembered as someonewho is kind of a positive influence in otherpeople because of their vulnerability. If that makes sense like I want to beopen about myself and my it's, this is I've been reading a lotabout carly ons wounded healer, basically, but it's basically the ideathat you can only really help someone whos struggling if you're, alsostruggling and have known or currently know that like wound- and I think that's it. I think that's,I don't know that that's a healthy thing, but I think that I want to beable to help other people through helping myself. If that makes sense-and that's maybe a little selfish and a little egoistic,...

I see what you're saying that's whatreally yeah Li Itis Jus have to be a little egoistic to think about yeah,because I could tell you like. Oh, I would tell you what I would remember Afyou right and that would be not you know yeah I said Wr. This isthis is the one it's questions like these that make me wish that weactually plan these podcast, instead of because I I I can wriht out of answerthink about this is Jus so much Wen you Gointo Venu. I know as soon as we're assoon as I hit stop on this liphone I'll. Think of like twenty things like oilhave said right, Tawas like something that I guess I was trying to get youguys to think about by asking this question was like what are the thingsyou're really passionate about, and are you like pursuing those kind of rightlike? Are You sedding? Oh yes, I think I mean I said something to Henry about this earlier, basicallythat he was like to have he new years resolutions and I basically said that Idon't really make resolute like I don't okay, thisis irrelevant, but act like that. There's any reason that you should makeresolutions on this one day what you coun do them any other day, heyor othere's that, but like one thing I have been thinking about, is being moreintentional with. I think this is a second semester senyou year think tobut be more ottentional about how I spend my time in Ho. I spend it way and that's what I have been thinkingabout that n. It makes me want o like start playing clob soccer again, like Ihaven't, had time for that or like that's. Why that's why I harass Davidinto restarting his podcast Bankan, because, like I enjoy David and bringpeople on that, I like doing this recordin like I, so I don't know, Ithink, there's a lot of cines and Sinco as it sacred was. I secet Fine FinnSnooker. I don't know N in, like a ool yeah Christmas Day,Happy Christmas, NAVID, Hey! You want to start up that podcast again, I waslike I had glassof Champan, I wase chocolate on the couch. It was on a fancy thing,but I was like you know what yeah? Let's do it N I was like that was soYoreah hs really F. I know what you mean because now I'm thinking of like not now that I'm able to take all COMclasses I want to- and my is I'm doing the topic on like video games and being able to beencouraged and like pursue that it's like what I want to do. Instead oftaking like PRECALC in high school and, like youknow, chemistry, even though I don't I'm really glad, I was exposed to allthat becuse. That's you find out what you want to do like. I think this is a really interestingtime, because now I'm about we're starting, we already are like doing things we want to do and pursuingthings hi, you're saying like pursuing our passions and stuff, like I thinkI've always kind of pursued like what I'm interested in, but now I'm beingmore open about. Like yeah, I play Video Games yeah Iedit film and stuff, and I'm into this like crazy stuff, and I call myself in therelike that kind of thing and, like I was very like closed about all that youknow, Yeah Yeah. Is that what you were?That's what you were thinking. We were gonna Yeah Wa. What about you, how I want to be Ri, yeah, yeah, okay!Well, I had a little bit of time to think about this sure, but kind of like what you were sayingDavid about and like you Tunic, like, Oh, like I like this year like see,hear I've become more intentional about like how I spend my time and with whomI spend my time, and I came to that realization. LastSemester, when I was like abroad like Oh, my gosh, like I can't spend all mytime studying because, like I'm, its amazing place like I need to meetpeople and like creave relationships like so. I think like coming off. Of that, Iwant to be rememberd as someone who, like really loves. I guess like someonewho, like really loves, like the people around me, and I really love my friendsand my family and I really love like the planet and I, U Lov my gettingpickd an wins and like readlike I just...

...like someone who loves yeah, that'spoetic. I mean I remember you like. That's exactly why I would remember you,for I think I thin not t not fog. You have guinea pigs. I used to OKA, I lovethem ther ar the Lov love them. Yeah know, I think yeah, that's sweet, Atalsgon, be a goodsemester. S Cast Seasonn Yeah Yeah, that's a hellof Woud, kick off or all right. Well, I think that's it. Youknow what I realized when you, when you said Whan, you were saying David andyou nick I was like. I don't think Davi and I ever identified ourselves, I'mDatid I'm Nig ever thin, so I don't think. We've ever said that we USSO onAron knows who we are yeah. There's some alumni that came here and be gavethem our cards and they have or still do, is yeahs. I just realized that, ifno one, if people don't know is they have no idea who's talking, yeah,that's fun. Establishyeah, K, ONL tous eleven hour of alright. Well again, thank you forcoming. Lovs things Ahaing! Absolutely. As always, we are signing off withMickand David at Nick David Show on Social Vedia. Please share with friends,family anyone. You Love Guinea, pigs, peguons well, get hit you guys next Sunday,awesome, yeah, Sondays, tinas yeah, thanks for listening.

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